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Plase, keep realism away from my spaceships!
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
#1 - 2012-02-26 19:14:01 UTC
I wrote this elsewhere and I think it can be interesting to debate....

(Arguing about realism in space simulation games, namely X3 series and EVE)

Realistic space combat probably would not be fun at all.

Also it is very likely that space combat doesn't ever happen, and if so, certainly will not involve spaceships.

Space is not an ocean. Moving stuff through it is hopelessly slow or hopelessly energy consuming, or both, to the point of economical failure.

Let's say that for whatever reasons, we got to colonize Mars. You order something from a factory on Mars. Then it takes 1 year to reach Earth, or else needs so much energy to speed up delivery that you could perfectly save yourself the trouble and build it on simulated Martian conditions in a LEO space factory.

And we're just talking about the closest usable planet. So, why build spaceships?

Also, if your point is interfering with enemy trade (in case it happens at all), then your easier bet is going for guided warheads and more or less authomated ships that could withstand tens or hundreds of Gs, unlike cargo or passengers/crew. So thrilling... Roll

So, please, keep realism away from my spaceships!
Jeyson Vicious
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-02-26 22:59:00 UTC
I saw a giraffe at the zoo last week.
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#3 - 2012-02-26 23:04:42 UTC
Jeyson Vicious wrote:
I saw a giraffe at the zoo last week.


The scientific name of giraffe is Girafa camelopardalis, litherally "leopard camel".
Something Random
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-02-26 23:13:42 UTC
I agree totally.

Everything you mention is pretty much proven already as well, either by our fumblings so far or the simple simulation of proper physical travel through Space that we currently can achieve.

My poor, not researched even half well enough, theory is that the reality of us ACTUALLY physically travelling through space from point A to C via B(Space) is very unlikely to ever happen - if it did we would never go very far at all and some hilarity, and repercussions i cant quite get into grasping yet due to lack of knowledge on relativity at the extremes, would insue as succesive projects kept picking up earlier projects 'along the way'. Time and its effects are what i cant grasp there though.

At least on a grand scale like Eve.

My theory as to how it would actually happen, most likely, is the use of dimensional shifting.... assuming the dimensions exist, can eventually be accessed and we do move beyond the nuclear age without succumbing to it. This way you simply avoid B, or rather shift it from space to dimensions.

I guess this makes my ideal, achievable, way to transverse Space more Dr Who than Star Trek or Eve.

It also has the bonus that once sussed out its not 'how far can we go?' its 'where and whenever shall we go?'.

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rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#5 - 2012-02-27 06:06:07 UTC  |  Edited by: rodyas
Well it still could be good to build spaceships. Like a country could float a huge ship around earth, and punish nations that deserve it. But yeah then taking that to a planet would take awhile and might not be worth it.

Also with space travel. Humans do have short lives, like if you are lucky enough not to get cancer or gain weight, you still live less then 100 years. As well as in poor condition to fly after like 65 or so. Does seem you couldn't get too far, with such a short lifespan.

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FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#6 - 2012-02-27 16:34:29 UTC
The Forever War gives a good idea of what ship-to-ship combat might be like at the relativistic speeds that interstellar craft would spend most of their time at. They spend weeks in maneuvers trying to gain advantage on an adversary millions of km away.

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FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#7 - 2012-02-27 16:39:18 UTC
rodyas wrote:
As well as in poor condition to fly after like 65 or so.

Tell that to Chuck Yeager or John Glenn.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Squidgey
Perkone
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-02-27 18:21:31 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
I wrote this elsewhere and I think it can be interesting to debate....

(Arguing about realism in space simulation games, namely X3 series and EVE)

Realistic space combat probably would not be fun at all.

Also it is very likely that space combat doesn't ever happen, and if so, certainly will not involve spaceships.

Space is not an ocean. Moving stuff through it is hopelessly slow or hopelessly energy consuming, or both, to the point of economical failure.

Let's say that for whatever reasons, we got to colonize Mars. You order something from a factory on Mars. Then it takes 1 year to reach Earth, or else needs so much energy to speed up delivery that you could perfectly save yourself the trouble and build it on simulated Martian conditions in a LEO space factory.

And we're just talking about the closest usable planet. So, why build spaceships?

Also, if your point is interfering with enemy trade (in case it happens at all), then your easier bet is going for guided warheads and more or less authomated ships that could withstand tens or hundreds of Gs, unlike cargo or passengers/crew. So thrilling... Roll

So, please, keep realism away from my spaceships!

You seem to be stuck under the assumption that our current level of technology is all that applies.

Assuming the kind of energy involved in eve, all of that should not have any problem being possible. And slow? Only because we don't have FTL capabilities.

Suspension of disbelief here folks.

And for that matter, given enough energy, mars can be reached in weeks. And I don't know where you got your 1 year figure from, but it should only take 6 months with current technology to get there.


/bitesthetrollbait
Squidgey
Perkone
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-02-27 18:22:35 UTC
rodyas wrote:
Well it still could be good to build spaceships. Like a country could float a huge ship around earth, and punish nations that deserve it. But yeah then taking that to a planet would take awhile and might not be worth it.

Also with space travel. Humans do have short lives, like if you are lucky enough not to get cancer or gain weight, you still live less then 100 years. As well as in poor condition to fly after like 65 or so. Does seem you couldn't get too far, with such a short lifespan.

Relativistic speeds sir.

Get going fast enough and that 100 year trip might only seem to take 4-5 to the crew.
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#10 - 2012-02-27 21:23:54 UTC
Squidgey wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
I wrote this elsewhere and I think it can be interesting to debate....

(Arguing about realism in space simulation games, namely X3 series and EVE)

Realistic space combat probably would not be fun at all.

Also it is very likely that space combat doesn't ever happen, and if so, certainly will not involve spaceships.

Space is not an ocean. Moving stuff through it is hopelessly slow or hopelessly energy consuming, or both, to the point of economical failure.

Let's say that for whatever reasons, we got to colonize Mars. You order something from a factory on Mars. Then it takes 1 year to reach Earth, or else needs so much energy to speed up delivery that you could perfectly save yourself the trouble and build it on simulated Martian conditions in a LEO space factory.

And we're just talking about the closest usable planet. So, why build spaceships?

Also, if your point is interfering with enemy trade (in case it happens at all), then your easier bet is going for guided warheads and more or less authomated ships that could withstand tens or hundreds of Gs, unlike cargo or passengers/crew. So thrilling... Roll

So, please, keep realism away from my spaceships!

You seem to be stuck under the assumption that our current level of technology is all that applies.

Assuming the kind of energy involved in eve, all of that should not have any problem being possible. And slow? Only because we don't have FTL capabilities.

Suspension of disbelief here folks.

And for that matter, given enough energy, mars can be reached in weeks. And I don't know where you got your 1 year figure from, but it should only take 6 months with current technology to get there.


/bitesthetrollbait


Then, you are under the assumption that better technology would only solve one isssue (faster space travel) but not another (say, obtaining rare materials currently not found on Earth). Blink