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The reason I can't get excited about DUST
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Vetrox Satria
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2012-02-27 17:30:26 UTC
Miss Whippy wrote:
What? Apart from the fact that I'd need to buy a Playstation, which I've no intention of doing?


Ask for moar pocket money.
Miss Whippy
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2012-02-27 17:31:58 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Miss Whippy wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Miss Whippy wrote:
What? Apart from the fact that I'd need to buy a Playstation, which I've no intention of doing?

CCP addressed EvE player's concerns about what happens if DUST dies down and stops being played - I've never owned a console but I can't imagine anyone who has one has a large attention span. The statement went something along the lines of, "don't worry it won't significantly effect EvE gameplay if DUST dies."

In other words, DUST will have so little interaction with EvE that it will be almost utterly pointless from our perspective. DUST looks great and I'm sure it will join the millions of other FPS games out there in being successful for a few months, but what then?

I see two options:

1. Sever any link between DUST and EvE and make it a stand-alone game. Let's face it EvE players are never going to accept DUST players anyway, and will most likely grief the hell out of them in any possible way they can. DUST bunnies just don't know how mean things can get around here.

2. Release it on PC too. While incredibly unlikely as this seems, it WOULD address more than a few concerns.


So by self admission you have no idea what you are talking about, but would like to voice your opinion anyway.

Gotcha.


What admission is that? Oh wait, you're not saying anything.

Gotcha.


I bolded the pertinent parts of your post.

I meant what I said, you have no idea what you are talking about.

You don't play console games, you don't understand what the feed back in the gaming industry has been towards the concept of a game like DUST, and you have no idea how the two will interact.

Yet you feel motivated to provide us with your very biased point of view.

Thanks.


Oh dear, seems you have a rather basic understanding of life in general. You don't have to own something to have an understanding of it. I live with several people who own consoles, and I've yet to see them play ANY game be it online or not for ANY great length of time. In no small part to the fact that console games aren't meant to last. If games took months to complete rather then days, then people wouldn't be buying as many games as they should be.

Since you can't even grasp a concept as basic as observation and in fact have shown you base your opinion entirely on meaningless assumption, you should stop trying to be clever as it clearly doesn't suit you.

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Shandir
EVE University
Ivy League
#23 - 2012-02-27 17:32:07 UTC
You don't own a console, and don't understand the console market - yet you feel qualified to make broad judgements about the character of all those who do.

You don't know anything about the DUST<> EVE connection, and do not intend to play it - yet you feel qualified to both inform us about it, and make design decisions about how it should work.

Is there anything about your post which is not fail?

PS, I know you're never going to play DUST, like, ever. But can I have your DUST stuff when you don't play it on that console you don't own?
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2012-02-27 17:32:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Vertisce Soritenshi
The entire gaming industry is on edge over DUST. CCP needs to pull this off right. If they do the entire way we look at PC vs Console games will change.

Of course I wouldn't expect narrow minded people to understand this.
Miss Whippy wrote:

Oh dear, seems you have a rather basic understanding of life in general. You don't have to own something to have an understanding of it. I live with several people who own consoles, and I've yet to see them play ANY game be it online or not for ANY great length of time. In no small part to the fact that console games aren't meant to last. If games took months to complete rather then days, then people wouldn't be buying as many games as they should be.

Since you can't even grasp a concept as basic as observation and in fact have shown you base your opinion entirely on meaningless assumption, you should stop trying to be clever as it clearly doesn't suit you.

You clearly have no clue and are just ignorant and stubborn. Keep posting though. You are entitled to your opinion no matter how stupid it may be and you are also entitled to tell everybody about it regardless of how stupid it makes you look. In the meantime...I am going to go get some popcorn.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#25 - 2012-02-27 17:46:06 UTC
Miss Whippy wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Miss Whippy wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Miss Whippy wrote:
What? Apart from the fact that I'd need to buy a Playstation, which I've no intention of doing?

CCP addressed EvE player's concerns about what happens if DUST dies down and stops being played - I've never owned a console but I can't imagine anyone who has one has a large attention span. The statement went something along the lines of, "don't worry it won't significantly effect EvE gameplay if DUST dies."

In other words, DUST will have so little interaction with EvE that it will be almost utterly pointless from our perspective. DUST looks great and I'm sure it will join the millions of other FPS games out there in being successful for a few months, but what then?

I see two options:

1. Sever any link between DUST and EvE and make it a stand-alone game. Let's face it EvE players are never going to accept DUST players anyway, and will most likely grief the hell out of them in any possible way they can. DUST bunnies just don't know how mean things can get around here.

2. Release it on PC too. While incredibly unlikely as this seems, it WOULD address more than a few concerns.


So by self admission you have no idea what you are talking about, but would like to voice your opinion anyway.

Gotcha.


What admission is that? Oh wait, you're not saying anything.

Gotcha.


I bolded the pertinent parts of your post.

I meant what I said, you have no idea what you are talking about.

You don't play console games, you don't understand what the feed back in the gaming industry has been towards the concept of a game like DUST, and you have no idea how the two will interact.

Yet you feel motivated to provide us with your very biased point of view.

Thanks.


Oh dear, seems you have a rather basic understanding of life in general. You don't have to own something to have an understanding of it. I live with several people who own consoles, and I've yet to see them play ANY game be it online or not for ANY great length of time. In no small part to the fact that console games aren't meant to last. If games took months to complete rather then days, then people wouldn't be buying as many games as they should be.

Since you can't even grasp a concept as basic as observation and in fact have shown you base your opinion entirely on meaningless assumption, you should stop trying to be clever as it clearly doesn't suit you.


Actually I base my opinion on personal experience with console gaming, keeping abreast of the gaming industry news for both PC and console, and researching a game that is of interest to me (and many others).

As opposed to you that bases his opinion of that fact that his friends only play games following the traditional (and failing) cycle of charging $60 bucks for a new expansion once a year... for a game they will beat in 3 weeks.

I don't blame you for asking pointed questions, but when you pretend to offer answers based on complete ignorance of the subject matter you're just wasting our time.

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Kattshiro
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#26 - 2012-02-27 17:54:09 UTC
Quote:


Oh dear, seems you have a rather basic understanding of life in general. You don't have to own something to have an understanding of it. I live with several people who own consoles, and I've yet to see them play ANY game be it online or not for ANY great length of time. In no small part to the fact that console games aren't meant to last. If games took months to complete rather then days, then people wouldn't be buying as many games as they should be.

Since you can't even grasp a concept as basic as observation and in fact have shown you base your opinion entirely on meaningless assumption, you should stop trying to be clever as it clearly doesn't suit you.


I got roommates that own **** they hardly use too. I have a car I dont drive everyday... So what's your point? (Not everyone is a pro or going to devote 8 hours a day like they do for MMO's?) Because the one you just raised isn't saying much of anything. FPS by their very nature are a more casual game. You dont need to wait around for hours and hours to get into a fight or even battle it out. As for long term once again there are still people playing older FPS's on consoles like halo 3 etc. Dust will also have the benefit of being much cheaper, and sometime down the road being F2P.
Really the game play/world and community will determine how long lasting of an appeal it will have.
Oh ro
#27 - 2012-02-27 17:58:48 UTC
Not really sure why the people who bitched about WiS aren't also upset about Dust unless they are all console kids.
Miss Whippy
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2012-02-27 18:09:37 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:


Actually I base my opinion on personal experience with console gaming, keeping abreast of the gaming industry news for both PC and console, and researching a game that is of interest to me (and many others).

As opposed to you that bases his opinion of that fact that his friends only play games following the traditional (and failing) cycle of charging $60 bucks for a new expansion once a year... for a game they will beat in 3 weeks.

I don't blame you for asking pointed questions, but when you pretend to offer answers based on complete ignorance of the subject matter you're just wasting our time.


Yet here we are on your third reply, and it still lacks any kind of substance. Like for instance, what is so great about DUST? You and your fellow fanboys have already heralded DUST an amazing Success before it's even come out, yet you haven't explained at all how DUST will succeed. Nor have you explained how the two games will have ANY kind of meaningful interaction, while allowing for the fact that CCP themselves have said that should DUST fail it will have NO impact on EvE.

So, tell me. What has your mountains research come up with in regards to this. Because you've failed to mention it so far.

I can understand your blind faith though, considering DUST was born in a time when CCP was getting everything so right!

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Vetrox Satria
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2012-02-27 18:14:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Vetrox Satria
WHY R DUST NOT ON MA PC!?!?!

Because (i assume) its harder to code something for a pc with its many different hardware variations. Then you have to make sure the graphics engine will cater for everyone because the majority of PC owners dont have that good a PC and its cheaper for them to buy a console.

WHY R DUST NOT ON MA XBOX

Disclaimer: Xbox till I die but I live in reality.

Lets face it the xbox is starting to show its age now and the ps3 is just better spec'd therfore its going to make the game run better. Plus I expect that most PC owners (especially those who are aged between 8 and, old enought o get a job,) dont have a mondo powerfull pc to rival what could be achieved at half the price on the ps3

WHY R DUST NOT ON EVERYFING LIKE CCP SAID IT WOULD!

Because CCP probably did have grand visions of this being a multiplatform game but the reality is...its really ******* hard to do and maintain...plus PC players would just insta win.

...oh i thought we were just making **** up with made up facts in our heads...woops.
CanIHave YourStuff
In Praise Of Shadows
#30 - 2012-02-27 18:31:58 UTC
News flash for the op. No one cares about your pathetic whining.
arcca jeth
Dark Alliance
#31 - 2012-02-27 18:36:40 UTC
Miss Whippy wrote:


Oh dear, seems you have a rather basic understanding of life in general. You don't have to own something to have an understanding of it. I live with several people who own consoles, and I've yet to see them play ANY game be it online or not for ANY great length of time. In no small part to the fact that console games aren't meant to last. If games took months to complete rather then days, then people wouldn't be buying as many games as they should be.

Since you can't even grasp a concept as basic as observation and in fact have shown you base your opinion entirely on meaningless assumption, you should stop trying to be clever as it clearly doesn't suit you.



I play BF3 regularly, Multiplayer only. Been playing a lot longer than 3 weeks....being as you can't beat online multiplayer....you know because it never ends and all, which is why people play FPS in the 1st place, the online MP experience Roll
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#32 - 2012-02-27 18:36:41 UTC
Why would pc players insta win?

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#33 - 2012-02-27 18:39:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Quote:
Yet here we are on your third reply, and it still lacks any kind of substance. Like for instance, what is so great about DUST? You and your fellow fanboys have already heralded DUST an amazing Success before it's even come out, yet you haven't explained at all how DUST will succeed. Nor have you explained how the two games will have ANY kind of meaningful interaction, while allowing for the fact that CCP themselves have said that should DUST fail it will have NO impact on EvE.

So, tell me. What has your mountains research come up with in regards to this. Because you've failed to mention it so far.

I can understand your blind faith though, considering DUST was born in a time when CCP was getting everything so right!


What substance have YOU supplied so far? Big smile

No one has declared DUST to be an amazing success, it's not out yet, so you might want to stop putting words in peoples mouths. Granted, that will severely limit your material...

What HAS been said is that DUST is looking very, very good so far. This has been substantiated by every gaming site that has had a chance to see the internal build in action so far.

As far as meaningful interaction between EVE and DUST:

The two will share a common economy and market system. This produces a large potential revenue stream for EVE players, but if DUST fails it simply means that those revenue streams revert to what we have now.

DUST will have a direct impact on our SOV system IF an EVE organization chooses to go that route. If DUST fails obviously SOV will be resolved as it is currently (or whatever it evolves into with the next expansion).

DUST will have a direct impact on industry via Planetary Interaction materials. If DUST fails we simply don't see it affected by DUST combat, which is exactly what we have now.

CCP has managed to, for the most part, get it right for 9 years now. I tend to trust them (and the industry leaders that are looking at the DUST/EVE cross over with envious eyes) a lot more than an anonymous fella that spends his time watching his room mates play console games all day and considers himself well informed. Smile

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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#34 - 2012-02-27 18:48:13 UTC
Sony has called it thier most important game to the Play Station Network so far and thankfully Sonly Online Entertainment has nothing to do with this game at all and probably NEVER will unlike every single failed SOE mmo ever.

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Herold Oldtimer
State War Academy
Caldari State
#35 - 2012-02-27 18:48:23 UTC
Posting to say I bought a PS 3 because of Dust 514. I also bought a playstation pluss subricption so that I can get into the beta.
Vetrox Satria
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2012-02-27 18:52:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Vetrox Satria
Nova Fox wrote:
Why would pc players insta win?


Good Sir

PC > Consoles.

But this really isnt the place for a, PC Fanboy versus the rest, flame war

Herold Oldtimer wrote:
Posting to say I bought a PS 3 because of Dust 514.


Me too. Im just that excited.
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#37 - 2012-02-27 18:54:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Nova Fox
I am just saying why?

Considering there will be mouse and keyboard support for dust 514.

Also Confirming I have dusted off my PS3 to play Dust 514 (also that I found two games to keep me occupied, Valkaria Chronicles and Disgiea 4)

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Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2012-02-27 19:40:17 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
I am just saying why?

Considering there will be mouse and keyboard support for dust 514.

Also Confirming I have dusted off my PS3 to play Dust 514 (also that I found two games to keep me occupied, Valkaria Chronicles and Disgiea 4)

Articulation and control with mouse and keyboard are the only reasons I prefer PC over any console myself. Well that and mods that consoles can't do. Look at Skyrim for an example but that's hardly an issue for DUST. Neither is mouse and keyboard superiority since like you said the PS3 will support mouse and keyboard as will DUST. That said I have no squabling to do over it not being on PC other than the graphics could potentially be better on PC but I like the idea of everybody being on the same turf hardware wise which is something only a console can provide.

In other words it doesn't ******* matter if it is on PC or not anymore. Don't want to buy a PS3? Then your cheap ass won't be playing DUST. I for one look forward to playing EvE on my PC while I play DUST through my PS3 on my other monitor.

Going to go get more popcorn now. I have a feeling this thread is far from over...

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Vetrox Satria
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2012-02-27 19:45:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Vetrox Satria
I DID NOT KNOW I COULD USE A MOUSE AND KEYBOARD WITH DUST!!!!!!

Can i use any old usb device or do i have to get a sony approved one.

Mega wood going on right now!

All i need now is it to be in 3D and there will be some **** in my actual factual pants
IsTheOpOver
#40 - 2012-02-27 19:45:52 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:

Also Confirming I have dusted off my PS3 to play Dust 514 (also that I found two games to keep me occupied, Valkaria Chronicles and Disgiea 4)


Damn you! I wish I could play Disgaea 4.. my PS3 YLOD'd over a year ago. Nippon Ichi is the best and the true reason to own a PS3.

They need to put Dust out on PSVita.