Missions & Complexes

So, wondering what would be the best setup for grinding lvl5 missions. They got buffed, kinda need an omni-tank as you get all 4 damage types shot at you.

Assume:

- I have two 100M SP+ chars capable of flying any sub cap ship T2 fitted.
- I don't want to spend more than 2 Billion
- I am not looking for any 'not worth it', 'OMGLOWSECWTFYOUCRAZY??!!' or 'just run lvl4's' comments.


What I had in mind:

- Tengu, passive omni tank (low EXPL/EM resist) + Logistics. Horrible on DPS, but safest

- Tengu, passive omni tank (low EXPL/EM resist) + Dominix with shield transfer and high cap regen. No tank or local rep as Tengu pulls agro. (Kinda decent on DPS, not very safe)

- Dual Tengu, same tank, warp in as gang and split the DPS (luck dependent, might all lock on one)

- Passive Rattle, omnitank, + Dominix with shield transfer and high cap regen. No tank or local rep. (expensive but high dps. Safe enough?)



Your thoughts please. Other setups welcome.

I used to solo in a Tengu, but they buffed the missions back in September 2011. I got Bane and Devestator shot at me by Gallente...:S

My Tengu fit for Kin/Thermal melts in under a minute, so an Ishtar won't make it I guess..

Word to the wise: ECCM are pointless if you're using drones, since drones are easy to probe out.

Why use amp node subsystem on the tengu OP?
Ain't that the one that boosts local rep? i'd go for the adaptive shielding or the wtfloads of shield subsystem if i had a babysitter basi any day.

Never done a lvl5 but tengu can solo C5 anoms (haven't tried radar/mag yet) relying only on local-tank. It's not a walmart budget fit so I guess if you not confident of your methods and skills you prolly not want her for lowsec work. All the same she is able to tank, and kill, most anything provided she has some cap left ....

PvE Tengu
6 x HML II [T2 traumatic HMs to taste]
2 x Pith C SBA, 1 x Gistum B MSB , 1 x CN invul, 1 x CN Photon Scatter, 1 x RF 10MN AB.
3 x CN BCS, 1 x DC II.
Elec - Diss Seq, Def - Amp node, Eng - Aug Cap Res, Off - Acc Ej Bay, Prop - Fuel Cat.
2 x CCC II, 1 x Rigor I.

I am no EFT guru, and have no idea whether this is a good setup or a bad one ... it just works.

LSB big-brother hardly shows any shield damage whatever is shooting it, but with 5HMLs can't break some of the sleeper repping spawns.

will get probed fast in low sec lv5 areas...

Thanks for all the ideas guys! Some comments:

- Level 5 missions have OMGWTFPWN neuts. Any kind of active tank will not work.

- Two bombers is one insane idea I had never thought about. I'll give it a try, might actually work in reducing DPS. Will lose sec status when hitting random space objects though...

- What would be a good setup for that two Rattlesnake idea?

- I will need somewhat of an omnitank, rat specific hardeners not gonna work. Lvl5 missions do all damages at the same time.

- I don't really care about probers finding me, as I keep a close eye on scanner anyways and I stay of the gate in those missions to give me some time to gtfo if anyone warps in.

Thanks or all the thought guys, much appreciated.

My pick would be a RR tengu setup, somewhat like the ones you use for sleepers:


[Tengu, WH RR]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Damage Control II

Caldari Navy Photon Scattering Field
Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field
Large Capacitor Battery II
Target Painter II
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
Target Painter II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile
Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Tengu Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
Tengu Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

You can swap the second TP for another invul, because you dont need that much sig to hit normal rats, they dont MWD like the sleepers :P
Resists are 80-92-88-80, the fits are capstable even when running the transfer, so if one gets all the aggro and neut you will have enough cap to survive the neuts and keep the tank running while your alt/friend reps you.

EDIT: I dont know why it has that electronic sub, i think it was for the scanner, you can change it for a dis secuencer or a cpu efficiency, you lose one mid, but you gain one low where you can put a CPR and become even more resistant to neuts.


[Tengu, WH khasn]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Damage Control II
Capacitor Power Relay II

Caldari Navy Photon Scattering Field
Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field
Large Capacitor Battery II
Target Painter II
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile
Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Tengu Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst


You end with +40 points cap even permarunning the rep, and +80 without it, beign totally inmune to neuts (:

The conservative method: Two tengus. One fitted for tank and DPS, second one fitted for RR and DPS. Have the tankgu orbit the repgu so as to not go out of RR range and to keep moving to mitigate damage. Try to ensure that the repgu doesn't draw rat aggro.

The balls-to-the-wall method: Two bombers, both fitted for DPS. Kill the scram/web rats, then the missile batteries, then the neut batteries, and then go to town on the stuff which can't hit you. Costs 1/10th of the conservative method, deals about as much dps, and can avoid gatecamps like a boss. The obvious drawback is that you instapop to anything capable of hitting you, but meh.

And edit: The bombers should use torps, not bombs.

I don't recall *that* many web batteries. At least, not so much that you couldn't kill them right at the start. Maybe there are some missions like that, but I've never got them.

I guess check your missions on eve-survival, and if it has three stasis batteries all at once, decline

Oh, herp, 7 stasis towers at once. Crap.

Upon closer inspection, it seems the vast majority of stasis towers occur in missions against the Minmatar faction, which would explain why I barely got any. Who are you going to be running against...?