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Gregory Brunswick
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-02-26 22:41:01 UTC
Hello Guys. I am a station trader and I am wondering whether there is any other venues that I can invest my isk for a good return that is equivalent to my trading. With around 1-2 hours of trading a day I make anywhere between 350 million to over +1 billion a week depending on game inflation and luck.

I was wondering if there is any other low effort, low time and low risk equivalent money making ventures which can compare which I can get into. How does manufacturing compare? Mining?
Dersk
Perkone
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-02-26 23:06:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Dersk
Datacores are acceptable if you're willing to wait two or three years to collect enough to make your time worthwhile. Hahah.

tech 1 manufacturing can certainly work very well with minimal time on a daily/weekly/monthly basis. Doing so requires you to have a fairly wide selection of researched blueprints to fill (a recommended) 10 manufacturing slots. A large portion of t1 products that are consistently high enough to justify production require skills higher than "industry 1", and will take time to train. So, with research and skill training time you'll probably have to wait 6~8 weeks before the gravy train makes a stop at your town. Up-front infrastructure and component costs will be between 2 and 5 billion before you set the process to autofire.

t2 manufacturing from invention can provide similar returns without requiring as much investment, but only if you can reliably copy and invent without waiting in a queue. Read as: have your own tower. This requires as many (if not more) skills as the previous t1 manufacturing pursuit to handle the copy and invention jobs.

t1 manufacturing generally gives me between 15 and 30 million per production slot per week in profit. t2, which has a wider selection of high profit items, usually goes around 30 to 60 million a slot.

The closest you'll get to "low time" investment in mining is with ice mining while checking your cargohold every 15 minutes or so. Even then it comes with a horribly low rate of income. The only remotely wealthy miners I know use multiple characters simultaneously to mine asteroids for hours a day. They easily make enough money to keep everything running with PLEX while still making a respectable profit, but they can do almost nothing else for hours a day without the use of a bot.
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#3 - 2012-02-27 14:22:24 UTC
Dersk wrote:
tech 1 manufacturing can certainly work very well with minimal time on a daily/weekly/monthly basis. Doing so requires you to have a fairly wide selection of researched blueprints to fill (a recommended) 10 manufacturing slots. A large portion of t1 products that are consistently high enough to justify production require skills higher than "industry 1", and will take time to train. So, with research and skill training time you'll probably have to wait 6~8 weeks before the gravy train makes a stop at your town. Up-front infrastructure and component costs will be between 2 and 5 billion before you set the process to autofire.


T1 manuf alt takes right around 30 days to train from scratch.

- Remap to all Memory/Int
- Add +3 implants for Memory/Int
- Train: Industry 3, Production Efficiency 5, Mass Production 5, Adv Mass Production 4, Supply Chain Mgmt 3

Which gives you 10 zero-waste manuf slots and the ability to manuf almost all T1 items.

I think you'll be hard pressed to get more then 10M per slot for T1 manuf long-term, not unless you get into the higher priced items where you need a few hundred million in materials to setup the production run for a week. Plus the shifts in the mineral market can make/break you. The stuff which costs less then 100M/wk in materials is usually in the 3-6M ISK/wk profit range.