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Best Drake Fit? - Solo or Group
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Alara IonStorm
#21 - 2012-02-27 13:34:55 UTC
Gypsio III wrote:
Please don't fly HAM Drakes without a web.

Did you read the description above the fit. Roll

The Painter instead of a Web is for after the changes that will allow it to hit to 30km and 45km LR Ammo. Basically a gang ship in which if you need a web you have tacklers for that but your main job is Damage at Range.
Gypsio III
State War Academy
Caldari State
#22 - 2012-02-27 13:42:31 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Gypsio III wrote:
Please don't fly HAM Drakes without a web.

Did you read the description above the fit. Roll

The Painter instead of a Web is for after the changes that will allow it to hit to 30km and 45km LR Ammo. Basically a gang ship in which if you need a web you have tacklers for that but your main job is Damage at Range.


I did, and I don't buy it for a second. If you're actually able to stay at range in the fashion that you suggest, you're still better off with HMLs. Alternatively, you're flying it like a nano-Drake, whereupon you'll need the web - and arguably a second (PODLA) - to deal with the frigates that will inevitably tackle you.
Alara IonStorm
#23 - 2012-02-27 13:56:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
Gypsio III wrote:

I did, and I don't buy it for a second. If you're actually able to stay at range in the fashion that you suggest, you're still better off with HMLs.

Not true at all. HAM's with a Painter do much more DPS and hit Painted Cruiser and Battlecruiser sized targets just fine. You would be foolish to give up that Damage since most small gang fights do not happen past 45km.

Gypsio III wrote:

Alternatively, you're flying it like a nano-Drake, whereupon you'll need the web - and arguably a second (PODLA) - to deal with the frigates that will inevitably tackle you.

Sure if you are flying a Nano Drake but this fit is not a Nano Drake.

30km HAM Drake with a Painter will work fine in most small gang situations.
Brotha Umad
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2012-02-27 14:01:06 UTC
Gypsio III wrote:
Please don't fly HAM Drakes without a web.

Where's the dislike button ?

- a tackler pilot.
Gypsio III
State War Academy
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-02-27 14:10:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Gypsio III
Alara IonStorm wrote:


30km HAM Drake with a Painter will work fine in most small gang situations.


I don't doubt that you'd get good results out of it, a 30-km HAM Drake with full damage selectability will be formidable. But I strongly suspect that in gang environments where you're not worried about getting tackled by frigates (do these exist meaningfully?), the greater flexibility and range of a 100 km HML Drake would make a better platform for mounting the painter on. You have the range to apply DPS to targets such as ECM boats, recons and logistics, a superior range tank and have a much larger volume to manoeuvre in.
Alara IonStorm
#26 - 2012-02-27 14:17:55 UTC
Gypsio III wrote:

I don't doubt that you'd get good results out of it, a 30-km HAM Drake with full damage selectability will be formidable. But I strongly suspect that in gang environments where you're not worried about getting tackled by frigates (do these exist meaningfully?), the greater flexibility and range of a 100 km HML Drake would make a better platform for mounting the painter on.

Their are many reasons to choose a Painter with Heavies over HAM's in many situation but the reverse is true.
Gypsio III wrote:

You have the range to apply DPS to targets such as ECM boats, recons and logistics, a superior range tank and have a much larger volume to manoeuvre in.

These Ships tend to pop up less in smaller gang situations. While it is good to be able to counter them it comes down to Damage vs Countering Support. Many fights do not happen with enough support on the field to give up the extra Damage.

Really it is a personal choice.
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