Ships & Modules

[Rokh, Rokh fit]

425mm Railgun II, Javelin L
425mm Railgun II, Javelin L
425mm Railgun II, Javelin L
425mm Railgun II, Javelin L
425mm Railgun II, Javelin L
425mm Railgun II, Javelin L
425mm Railgun II, Javelin L
425mm Railgun II, Javelin L

Dread Guristas X-Large Shield Booster
Cap Recharger II
Large Capacitor Battery II
Large Capacitor Battery II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II

Shadow Serpentis Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Shadow Serpentis Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Shadow Serpentis Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II

Large Semiconductor Memory Cell I
Large Semiconductor Memory Cell I
Large Semiconductor Memory Cell I


Okay. Posted this on EVEfit before but getting some unclear info so here goes;

Stats;
653 dps with Javelin @ 27+30km
448 dps with dread lead @ 108 + 30km
373 dps with spike @ 194 + 30km

Cap lasts for 3m 23s

Rough cost of ship with all included is 574m ISK so about 3x base cost of ship. Basically you spend 2x the cost of the ship on modules (this is assuming a JITA price of 170~ million)

Can fit 2x t2 memory cell rigs + 1x T1 rig but that blows the cost out into the billions (like literally 1.4billion+)

Tank ability;

150 raw HP regenerated per second therefore 150 x 203 = 30400 hp total with all modules active.
EHP assuming equal distribution of damage (ie 25% per damage type) = 108k HP regenerated. With all modules running.

So lets analyse;

Across 203 seconds I deal between 75700 damage at 194km and 132500 damage at 27km.
At the same time as this is happening I am regenerating a static 30400 HP before accounting resistances OR sustained passive shield regen.

These are values calculated without drones or implants.

WIth a full crystal set (I don't even want to know the cost, but assume it's humongous) you get 230 raw HP/s regenerated or 819 EHP/s. You do the math.

It is worth pointing out at this point that most people recommend on EVEfit to use CCC's vs memory cells but this doesn't make sense to me as the higher your cap capacity the more you recharge and the better you cap 'buffer' is, ergo protecting you against neuts for longer.

I'd really like some feedback on this fit. It is pretty much cookie-cutter L4/c3WH rokh apart from 2 mid slots and the rigs. In my head it's just like the difference between a passive shield tank and active shield tank fit in which the -normal- rokh build is focussed on fast regen but small capacity vs my huge cap capacity (approx 3x more than a standard EFT build) and the associated larger shield module.

The line gets a bit blurrier once you take that mindset but then realise I will bottom out eventually vs the sustained cap of a conventional build but the question in my head is: where is the event horizon on incoming DPS that will distinguish the two builds from each other?

A conventional build is meant for fighting massive numbers of weak enemies whereas mine recognises the need to battle smaller numbers of HAC/BS's which output higher DPS.

C&C are required. Get posting.

The intended use is for L4/L5's, possibly FW engagements (I am skeptical of it being a functional PVP build let alone an optimal bait/tank one) and anywhere that dependable figures are required. I like to this of this as a BS sized ferox but with one key distinction; when blasters are fitted you get 1060 dps instead of 600dps.

If 160k EHP and 1060dps doesn't sound exciting to you I don't know what to say, especially since it can tank for 5m 5s with weapons off (ergo 305s x 150 = 45750hp or 162khp regenerated without taking into consideration passive regen or base HP values).

With blasters you can swap the PDS for tracking enhancers and get 23km range.

TBH I've never even done a WH but my understanding was it could be done by a small gang of drakes so if drakes with their piddly 300-400dps and 60k tank can do it surely my Rokh stands a fighting chance

My ingame fit uses an AB instead of the cap recharger, running variations in pyfa gives results that are of questionable worth. I'm not sure if the fit will ultimately prove viable but it's definitely a thought experiment worthy of consideration.

As a related but side question: what would make the ROKH a better ship? I mean in terms of ship bonuses? I personally could sacrifice the range bonus for a shield booster bonus or it become a damage bonus.

Caldari doesent have a decent pve-turret BS .... nightmare gets the closest but obviously its amarr-mix

wtb navy-rokh !

I have EFT-warriored until I wanted to suck-start my 9mm, but you just can't make a PVE Rokh that isn't easily surpassed by almost any other BS (with the possible exception of the Scorpion). The damn thing just doesn't have the cap recharge to keep a good booster running and fire the guns. Plus it has low DPS. Sure, it can be blaster fit for some impressive EFT numbers, but I can still do better with a good ship. This is the best, most affordable setup I came up with for the Rokh. It's still stupidly pimped. If you wanted to run Level 4s in a Rokh, this would answer the mail (enough tank for most missions and 696 turret DPS at 62+37). Obviously, you can fit Neutron blasters for impressive EFT numbers (1027 turret DPS with my skills and implants, before overheating):


[Rokh, Rokh]
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Tracking Enhancer II
Damage Control II

Republic Fleet 100MN Afterburner
Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Ballistic Deflection Field II
Heat Dissipation Field II
Invulnerability Field II

425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L

Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I


Hobgoblin II x5
Warrior II x5

You can buy a Machariel or Nightmare for the price of this fit...

Yes, I am aware of that. In fact, I did. Because those are shield tanking ships that are actually good for PvE.

Couple things:

1. There's no reason to use Discharge Elutriation rigs post-hyrbid-buff, CCC's provide better cap life.
2. 425's track just fine with a pair of tracking computers and no, they aren't hard to fit.
3. See Mike's fit for a superior rokh, although I concur with the person who said using a rokh for pve is a waste of time in general.

1: You're wrong on that assumption, for both "mike's" fit and mine things work better with the hybrid cap rigs instead of CCC
2: it's still not great, it works fine for Guristas most of the time because they have a tendency to stay at range more. Against short range Serpentis it's still balls. And while 2TCs are easy to fit they cut into your tank which can become an issue due to lack of dps and tracking to make up for that
3: his rokh can't even deal with any sort of tanking, from full cap WITH cap boosters it runs for 2 minutes and you don't run full cap because just with the guns and resists running you end up at 45%


So sure, putting on 425s with 2 TCs and 4 mag stabs gives great dps results, but the downside is having to fit a medium cap booster due to PG, with a flimsy tank that isn't countered by massive dps and tracking (Pulse Abaddon style) and no realistic cap life. So I stick my ideas here; Bit more tank and 350s for fitting and base tracking, it's just better balanced.

And yeah, whoever said the Rokh can't tank...

I'd figure the above fit works without CCCII's, possibly by swapping one for a discharge elutriation II and one to a regular CCC. It looks good by the way, and rokh is indeed a decent mission boat because of the good optimal. Check Mike's fit above, it's very good for a cheap t1 bs.