EVE New Citizens Q&A

Hi everyone,

As time goes by, I keep thinking I'll end up living in W-space, while K-space seems to offer pretty much the same experience in low or nullsec, the idea of living in an un-mapped system that doesn't have fixed gates, with no Empire stations providing all services, with smarter NPCs and where you pretty much to work things out by yourself, is pretty tempting. I know well enough that it's neigh-impossible alone, and I'll have to join a corp to experience it all, but I'll stick to K-space till I've built my skills a bit more to have a chance of joining one.

For now I'm still exploring on my own and documenting myself when I can, but there's a few things I can't figure for now and I thought I'd ask:

- there's always a *static* WH, sometimes 2, but the other WH spawn randomly and if I got it right, can lead to any kind of system, be it highsec, lowsec, nullsec or another w-space. I've visited a WH this week-end and found another in the system it led to, that identified as leading to nullsec, while the one I came through led to highsec, so I guess that once you make a w-space system your home, when you need to go back to k-space from time to time, sometimes you may have no other exit than a WH leading to nullsec, even if it was accessible from highsec some days ago, right?

- that raises another question. When you join a WH corp, how do you relocate? since there's no market to buy from in w-space, got to bring along some equipment, can't *convert* your stuff in ISK to relocate in a single trip and buy what's needed as I do in K-space. Guess you don't exactly *relocate*, but rather bring along some stuff in one or two trips and use corp's orca to refit as needed.

- Since you can't jump-clone to or from w-space, must be similar with regular clones, I suppose you end up having your clone in K-space and if you get podded, one day you may be only 5 jumps away from the system with a WH leading back to the w-space system, the other day it might be 40 jumps or so, and maybe another day, there's no way back in as no one's available to probe the system and see where in k-space it leads.

Maybe I got it wrong and the corps don't *live* in w-space, but have bases in k-space, but that option doesn't feel right, the last WH I visited, was very quiet and I didn't detect any activity, but I saw a few towers and ships in d-scan, so there seems to be some form of *sovereignty* (not in the way sovereignty can be established by the game mechanisms) thus possibly *local residents*.

Well, it's what I suspect to be like, but maybe I'm wrong, so if you have some experiences to share, please do :)

Yes, but *anywhere* in k-space, and sometimes turning out to be a dead-end. But I suppose a wh-corp would have cov-op scouts to find ways out.


I'm training support skills for several cruisers and can't meet the CPU requirement of any launcher able to hold combat probes, unless I missed a point, but combat probes have a 1m3 volume and only expanded probe launchers can hold them, but these need 200tf at least, leaving little room on the few ships I can fly to fit anything else.


Yes, I already had a glimpse of that part, so now I have a cloak and try to figure things out while I quietly sit in a discreet place. My only experience with sleepers nearly cost me a cruiser and didn't last long, but I had no clue what I'd be up against and wasn't prepared, A+B=me warping out because I'm no hull tanker.

Now, I'm collecting informations and trying to learn, I have a very little experience, but very high curiosity and interest for the game and I agree with you about people treating it as summer camp, Eve is too much of time-investment to play it like MMOs such as CoD where you can just connect and run around a couple hours shooting others, there's little to no involvement in these, but maybe it's a matter of age.

I knew I wouldn't be the first to think about that

It sounds like W-Space is a pretty fun place to live and it sounds like you will never get any traffic haha. Question is can you build anything at all like a POS?

Yes you can build stuff *at* a POS in wormhole-space. I once had a Drake factory in one of them

- POS are a necessity, and so is the PI capacity to make them go. Stuff still has to be imported because some things are not present in W- space.

- you can pretty well build anything at a POS in WH, except supercaps, if you got the skills and necessary equipment for it.

- you can put up as many POS as there are moons in the system, just remember the fuelling requirements...

- if you do not play with a group of people who are around in the same timezone or multibox severely life is *lonely* out there.

- W- space is nullsec. there is also no local to warn you of people popping in. This means that you *really8 need to use your D-scan pretty much all the time, collapse holes, or any other things necessary to ensure your continued safety.

- if you get blown up outside your own WH scouting/exploring/etc. and end up in your pod, the only way out is to pod yourself back to k-space, and then find a way back in. Any implants you have are, of course, lost that way.
It's also why peeps keep at least one scouting alt in their home WH system, since finding your exact WH from k-space is.....a daunting task, if not impossible.

wormhole space is a nice place to live, but the easiest way to start living there is joining a corporation that is experienced. you can figure everything out, but thats a lot of work and is bound to cost you a lot of stuff.

Here goes:
Finding a wormhole: First you need to decide what kind of wormhole you want to make money in. Do note that this isnt the same as where you live. In general class 1-2 are wormholes you can solo the anoms and sites, 3-4 need minor fleets and some support from other people, 5 and 6 you need fleets. When you decide what kind of difficulty you want the run the sites at, you go look for a wormhole that has that class as a static connection. so if you want to run class 2 sites, you look for a c2 static c2 or a c4 static c2. this way you make sure you never run out of stuff to do.

Why not c1 c3 c5 or c6 with static c2?

c1 and 3 cant have static connections to other wormholes. they will ALWAYS have a static connection to k-space. the only other wormholes are random connections and k162's leading from other wormholes

though c5 and 6 can have lower class statics, living there means youll have to deal with roaming capitals, since class 5 and 6 allow those in. for starters i wouldnt recommend facing that down.

Actually finding the desired wormhole:
there are several ways to find the kind of wormhole you want. you can buy it of the forums, ask big alliances to look out for an empty one they find and then buy it, rent mercenaries to evict someone from a wormhole you like and take it for yourself, or, the cheapest way: get a collapsing fleet in a wormhole that has a static wormhole with what you desire. IE, if youre looking for a c4 static c2, find anything with a static c4 and work from there untill you find the desired system.

Living in wormholes:
the first thing you need is a POS. this will be your home for every day youre in wormhole space. If you plan to stay for a long time, us a large tower. smalls en mediums get shot by random bored people that come across it. Make sure that you have plenty of scan ships and modules, and always make sure there are still people in the wormhole that can get you back in when you go out. consider spending a week training basic scan skills on another character slot on your account and put it in your wormhole. cant be safe enough.

PvE: this is pretty straight forward. find the sites, kill sleepers, make isk. once you know how to run the sites this will be easy and the money starts rolling in. do remember signature sites (mags and radars) are harder then anomolies. gas harvesting can be rather profiteble as well. mining not so much, certainly not compared to doing sleepers, but some abc ores when youre bored are ok.

to do all that you do need a wide array of skills. gas harvesting isnt interesting untill level 5. mining can be done in any battleship, but a mining barge is really great, mainly because theyre so cheap. and then there is fighting sleepers

for fighting sleepers you can use many many ships. the lower the class the easier it is to use any ship you get. slap some tank on it and youre fine. however, there is one ship that is king of wormhole pve, the tengu. they can be used anywhere from class 1 to class 6, and do everything pretty efficient.

PvP:
youll come across it a lot. there are a lot of roaming fleets, and you wont see them comming untill the last second. with no local usually the first indication that there are others with you in the wormhole is the moment they scram you (if theyre any good that is). you just have 2 defenses against it. 1. scouts on the wormholes so you know they dont use your connection to come in and 2. keep probes out to scan for new signatures that might be wormholes. also, learn to use dscan. you can pick probes up with your dscan, as well as finding pos's with it easily.

thats all i can think of right now :) if you have a lot more questions, join TALUN public channel. it somehow came to be like wormhole public channel so there are always people around there who can answer questions, and plenty of corps that might look for new members

I don't mind it one bit, this wall happened to answer, with many details, a question I had after Hathrul's wall, so a big thank you to both of you.

Now that's said, as Hathrul mentionned it, nothing replaces real experience, but I'm just documenting to prepare myself and adjust my skill plan. I'm no match for sleepers yet, tried and proved it.

It seems like quite a bit has been covered in this topic .. but there is a lot of greqt info in this guide to wormholes. It explains things like setting up a POS .. what the sites are .. how to identify static exits, etc. I read through this before I took my corp into a wormhole over 4 or 5 months ago and we have been doing just fine in a class 3.

http://fiercewebs.com/arcdragon/joomla/

Check the menu on the right. There is an online version and a pdf version. Hope this helps :-)