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torps v bcs
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Lucien Davion
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-02-27 06:31:17 UTC
hi newbie here wondering if torpedoes lose out a lot on damage fired on a webbed BC?
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#2 - 2012-02-27 07:13:56 UTC
Somewhat. But it's nothing a target painter or two won't fix.

How did you Veterans start?
Mfume Apocal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-02-27 07:23:22 UTC
Lucien Davion wrote:
hi newbie here wondering if torpedoes lose out a lot on damage fired on a webbed BC?


not much, no.
Gypsio III
Questionable Ethics.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#4 - 2012-02-27 13:59:53 UTC
Lucien Davion wrote:
hi newbie here wondering if torpedoes lose out a lot on damage fired on a webbed BC?


Not a huge amount. The web will take care of damage mitigation via speed, leaving damage mitigation via sig only. Torp explosion radius is 450 m; a shield-rigged Drake has a sig of 350 m upwards, so you should expect to do at least 75% of your EFT damage. If it has Rage/Fury loaded then it'll have a colossal sig, over 500 m, and you'll do full damage.

On the other end of the spectrum is the Hurricane. Again, web takes care of speed issues, just leaving sig. Shield Cane sig is around 300 m (67%); armour Cane sig is around 240 m (53%). Painter is useful here.
Salcon Cliff
Zephyr Corp
#5 - 2012-02-27 14:15:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Salcon Cliff
Most PvP canes will be (or should be) armor canes for this reason. A mission cane, OTOH, will quite likely be a shield cane and can have a pretty large sig. My old mission cane had a sig of 340, I think (2x Lg Extenders and 3x Core Def. Shield Ext.). Not sure who you are targeting Big smile.
Uriel Walker
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2012-02-27 15:53:31 UTC
Last time I tested this I was in a manticore vs s shield tanked cane.
I did about 2200 volley damage with one painter and about 1800 without.

A second painter made no difference for me with most missile skills@4
M1k3y Koontz
House of Musashi
Stay Feral
#7 - 2012-02-27 22:18:09 UTC
if you have PyFA it will let you put in target's signature radius so you can find the lost DPS

How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp.
PotatoOverdose
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-02-28 04:18:19 UTC
Precision torps are awesome for ships smaller than BS. You might do less nominal EFT damage, but you do way more real damage. Also, you get a MUCH longer range.

Although tbh, assuming you have a decent number of bombers (say 5 or more) each with 1 painter painting the same BC, you'll do near-full damage with just about any torp (especially if said BC is webbed).
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#9 - 2012-02-28 04:31:39 UTC
If its webbed, then no. Majority of BCs running around are tier2's abusing the shield-gank paradigm and with shield extenders + MWD they are moons (even without MWD).

But then again, since there always seems to be a Loki lurking around they'd be sporting a 25-30% sig reduction so bring a painter to make sure.

PS: Did I mention how I consider the current link mechanic broken Smile
Gypsio III
Questionable Ethics.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#10 - 2012-02-28 13:56:12 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Precision torps are awesome for ships smaller than BS. You might do less nominal EFT damage, but you do way more real damage. Also, you get a MUCH longer range.


Not sure whether it's potatoes or LSD, but you're certainly overdosed on something... P

There's no such thing as precision torps. There's Jav torps, which do have a longer range, but they have the same explosion velocity/radius parameters as T1/faction torps...
Fidelium Mortis
Minor Major Miners LLC
#11 - 2012-02-28 14:47:59 UTC
Salcon Cliff wrote:
Most PvP canes will be (or should be) armor canes for this reason. A mission cane, OTOH, will quite likely be a shield cane and can have a pretty large sig. My old mission cane had a sig of 340, I think (2x Lg Extenders and 3x Core Def. Shield Ext.). Not sure who you are targeting Big smile.


Actually, most of the hurricanes that I come across are shield/nano, since it's usually easier to pick & choose engagements with more mobility.

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Roosterton
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2012-02-28 15:51:28 UTC
Quote:
Precision torps


WTB.
PotatoOverdose
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-02-28 18:53:07 UTC
Yeah meant javelins, and yes, I apparently was doing some LSD last night. At least I think it was LSD...
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#14 - 2012-02-29 00:17:43 UTC
Fidelium Mortis wrote:
Actually, most of the hurricanes that I come across are shield/nano, since it's usually easier to pick & choose engagements with more mobility.

Oh you crazy lowsec people and your nano fits.

But really, most people fly shield canes, even in highsec. It's stupid and they die because they aren't armor fit but they still do it.
Danny John-Peter
Blue Canary
Watch This
#15 - 2012-02-29 14:03:50 UTC
You will find shield canes to be one of the most used ships in Eve, and one of the most effective.
Cloora
APEX Unlimited
APEX Conglomerate
#16 - 2012-02-29 16:05:12 UTC
Most Canes are nano shield fit. I roll in a brawler armor cane with HG slaves but that's for specific situations.

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