Intergalactic Summit

Farel, I am a patriot but as stated above, I need not sacrifice the acceptance of reality to be a patriot. If a man claims that he is perfect, then he is a liar and the truth is not with him.

A government, any government, is filled with men (generalized term for humans, not gender). Therefore it cannot be perfect. To deny its imperfections serves no purpose, denies integrity and ultimately brings more harm than good.

Khross haan, and Maris haani,

I agree with what you said. The fact that most of Khross haan messages often sound more liberal than patriot is still valid to my eyes, though. Compared to the usual patriot speeches. It does not mean that he is no patriot, and if this is what I unconsciously implied in my previous post, please accept my apologies.

Also, do not see any criticism in what I said. This was a remark of pure curiosity.

If I might borrow your metaphor; The State is not simply giving a knife to a murderer. It is a fair and amicable trade. The knife in exhange for another item/s or service. It is a profitable business transaction. He might use it to stab someone or as you said, slice some bread. At the end of the day, It is simply no one else's business what he chooses to do with the knife once the trade is complete, morally objectionable or not. When a consumer purchases any item, whether this be a knife, musical instrument or a Cruise missile, what the consumer decides to do with their purchase is not the responsibility of the salesperson. Perhaps it should be, but that is for another discussion entirely.

To leave the metaphor behind, this is much in the same vein as the Gallente-Amarr free trade agreement in which the Federation have also done business with the Empire and left well enough alone. It wouldn't be a stretch to imagine that food could have been traded between the Empire and Federation, food that could have been used to feed soliders used in either nation's war efforts.

As I said in my previous post, we need not condone each other's private practices or policies to remain allies or trade partners. This does not make us responsible for the action of others. You could argue that perhaps, given past dealings, it makes us all equally responsible. That is not for me to decide.



The economics of the situation was a rather large omission on my part however unintentional. For filling in the blank spaces. Thank you, Ms Farel.

I will answer your inquiry in brief.

First, however, I will refer to your quotation: What you have referenced is a simple generalization of the perception of the Patriot mindset. Not every patriot is going to believe what Heth has done is what they have wanted along, I would go so far as to suggest to you that only the most extreme among us would do so.

To your inquiry:

I believe that every house should see to its own affairs before becoming involved in its neighbors'. That is to say that I believe the Caldari people, and by extension the State, should see to its own security, prosperity, integrity and infrastructure before looking outside of its own borders.

The existence of trade and international business relations are a necessary part of establishing stability and infrastructure. They should not be priority, however.

Relations with other nations should not be discouraged, but again are not a priority.

The priority is the Caldari people and the stability and prosperity of the State that governs and protects them. All else is secondary but not, by necessity, discouraged.

No need to apologize, Farel.

There is no harm in seeking clarification for words, miscommunication happens regularly. Having the clarity to seek clarification speaks highly of you, as opposed to simply resolving you perfectly understand me immediately and start with the challenges, arguments and other nonsense on a misunderstanding.

Congratulations! Would you like one?

As a side note, our differences aside, please do not consider me to have vilified you. While we may not agree on everything Heth has done, we are kindred and our differences sharpen us.

My dear lady,

You appear to be sadly misinformed . The National Party of the Federated Union of Gallente Prime could not be further from fascism. We affirm the primacy of Gallentean-style democracy as the most preferable form of government. We do not advocate totalitarianism in any form.

If you want to know more, please contact me for a membership form.

It has always been a dangerous mistake to confuse the politics of military nationalism with what it means to patriot. To abandon the virtues of rationality, dignity, pride and love for ones own Homeland and fellow citizens in the waving of flags and fiery but empty rhetoric until the only virtues extolled are viciousness and vengeance. When violence and force is no longer an act to be abhorred and an option of last recourse but indeed held as the first and only political action to be pursued. Diplomacy and moderation of thought and action stifled with fear and hatred for perceived enemies. This confusion it appears has taken hold both in the Federation and the State. Patriotic ideals are debased to serve and advance the agendas of corrupt men who seek to profit from the blood of their fellow countrymen.

It is forgotten that good men will never seek to hide behind either ideology, their flag or their uniform as justification to commit evil for then they shall cease to be good men. That is the truth of what it means to be patriot for when the concepts of duty, honour, courage and loyalty to ones nation and fellow citizen are values so deeply held then no amount of petty politicking will deter them from acting in a manner contrary to their conscience. It is heartening to see that in the State there are still those guided by their conscience and a respect not only for their fellow citizens but also for their fellow men. Enough, that the cause of the Minmatar people and the Republic in freeing themselves from Amarrian oppression and subjugation would warrant the attentions of private State citizens and a discussion here on the IGS.

That said, I would say a far more pressing issue for the State and the Federation is an effective resolution to the current conflict. Whilst CONCORD and the CEWPA have so far contained the violence, a flashpoint and further escalation of the war is not an unlikely scenario. Such a development, I believe, is not in the interests of either the State or the Federation. The costs of such an escalation in lives, infrastructure, and ISK will far surpass anything encountered in the fires of the first conflict and the Caldari secession. Only the most vociferous Caldari Provist or Gallentean Ultranationalist would believe it bring about anything but the complete ruin of both our nations.

If the true patriots of both the State and Federation are unable to find common ground and mutual respect in this most critical period in the lives of both our nations then we do nothing but surrender not to each other but the madness of bitter and hate-filled men. We will stain ourselves in the blood of our young men and women. Sacrificed on the altar of an unnecessary and pointless war. If a solution to the Caldari Prime issue is not reached and respect as to our mutual borders is not maintained then the only outcome is total war.

What remains to be seen is which will prevail in the State and Federation:

Patriotism or Military Nationalism.