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Moriel Damodred
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-02-26 16:44:43 UTC
Once upon a time i ran SOE missions outa gicodel..

it was some of the best isk/lp out there....

now i come back and its even better! Except the only viable agent seems to be a pirate gankhaven and is in the middle of caldari space which SOE ever so slowly drives the rep down with.

My question is, are there any other agent corps out there that provide comperable returns compared to SOE right now? SOE is chilling at like 2100. I dont ask anyone to tell me their isk making secrets, just whether or not those opportunities exist in high sec. I can try and track them down myself, but hunting through 23432543 LP stores trying to find something that isn't there kinda sucks :(
Cyniac
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-02-26 17:47:21 UTC
There is nothing right now which can compare to what Gicodel was - one of the things CCP nerfed without even realising it.

Good times.
Moriel Damodred
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-02-26 18:00:33 UTC
Mega sadface :( I liked it there...

Legitamatly not sure if i want to keep playing again :(
OfBalance
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-02-26 18:08:32 UTC  |  Edited by: OfBalance
There are plenty of ways to keep caldari faction standing from tanking (and SoE doesn't even hit caldari standing that hard compared to directly working with the gallente federation): Diplomacy, datacenter, cosmos, soe epic arc, caldari epic arc, or simply running some missions for caldari corps when standing gets dangerously low (probably want to remain above the threshold where you loose all but L1 agents). And of course it helps to decline any missions that directly have you tank your caldari standings.

Of course, if you cba to manage your standings i'd suggest finding another LP store or source of income.
Cyniac
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-02-26 19:10:48 UTC
OfBalance wrote:
There are plenty of ways to keep caldari faction standing from tanking (and SoE doesn't even hit caldari standing that hard compared to directly working with the gallente federation): Diplomacy, datacenter, cosmos, soe epic arc, caldari epic arc, or simply running some missions for caldari corps when standing gets dangerously low (probably want to remain above the threshold where you loose all but L1 agents). And of course it helps to decline any missions that directly have you tank your caldari standings.

Of course, if you cba to manage your standings i'd suggest finding another LP store or source of income.


You miss the point.

Why does a faction which is based in Gallente space and historically stems from it and which gives out combat missions against the Caldari state have its *only* highsec lvl 4 combat agent in Caldari space?

Sorry but any which way I look at it, it's a very poor design. (I'd be tempted to say design decision, except I'm sure there was no decision behind this)
OfBalance
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-02-26 19:29:49 UTC  |  Edited by: OfBalance
Cyniac wrote:

You miss the point.

Why does a faction which is based in Gallente space and historically stems from it and which gives out combat missions against the Caldari state have its *only* highsec lvl 4 combat agent in Caldari space?

Sorry but any which way I look at it, it's a very poor design. (I'd be tempted to say design decision, except I'm sure there was no decision behind this)


The OP's point was about isk/LP, quite clearly, so I did not miss that. But while we're on your point, I will address it:

1. SoE claims to be neutral even though standings indicate otherwise.
2. Traditionally (from a gameplay perspective, rather than lore) the SoE offer a method of repairing gallente/matar standing, thus it makes sense to have agents outside gal/matar space where their placement would otherwise be redundant in that regard.
3. I have to agree with you about the single highsec L4 agent being a bit tragic, but as I said, blind LP whoring not withstanding it is quite easy to do business with the sisters and not loose access to the caldari space they reside in.


tldr; from a practical stand-point the move actually increased the utility of SoE, not the other way around.
Moriel Damodred
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-02-27 00:07:15 UTC
How does reducing the number of viable agents increase utility?

The agent was in osmon before too.
Moriel Damodred
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-02-27 00:09:07 UTC
OfBalance wrote:
There are plenty of ways to keep caldari faction standing from tanking (and SoE doesn't even hit caldari standing that hard compared to directly working with the gallente federation): Diplomacy, datacenter, cosmos, soe epic arc, caldari epic arc, or simply running some missions for caldari corps when standing gets dangerously low (probably want to remain above the threshold where you loose all but L1 agents). And of course it helps to decline any missions that directly have you tank your caldari standings.

Of course, if you cba to manage your standings i'd suggest finding another LP store or source of income.


The other bit that kinda sucks is the mass of suicide gankers that seem to have taken up in Osmon. last i looked there was 10x the number of ship losses per day than any surrounding system... Makes the prospect of even undocking a mission fit mach tricky :(
Cyniac
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-02-27 00:37:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Cyniac
OfBalance wrote:
The OP's point was about isk/LP, quite clearly, so I did not miss that. But while we're on your point, I will address it:

1. SoE claims to be neutral even though standings indicate otherwise.
2. Traditionally (from a gameplay perspective, rather than lore) the SoE offer a method of repairing gallente/matar standing, thus it makes sense to have agents outside gal/matar space where their placement would otherwise be redundant in that regard.
3. I have to agree with you about the single highsec L4 agent being a bit tragic, but as I said, blind LP whoring not withstanding it is quite easy to do business with the sisters and not loose access to the caldari space they reside in.


tldr; from a practical stand-point the move actually increased the utility of SoE, not the other way around.



TL; DR; There was no actual move, SoE utility was simple reduced. Gicodel was simply nerfed as a mission hub which makes SoE an impossible choice for Gallente/Minmatar pilots who want to run missions for them and don't want/cannot operate in Caldari space.

1) There was *always* a SoE agent at Osmon that people could run combat missions with. Nothing has been added there (so from that "functional" point of view there has been no change)
2) At Gicodel there was an administration agent which gave out mostly combat missions. In the dumbing down of the mission agents all admin agents were turned into distribution agents, thus nerfing several mission hubs (Gicodel SoE was not the only one, just the most brutal example).
3) If the design principle is that you get access to agents which allow you to repair standings in your space, where are all those ammatar and khanid agents in Gallente and/or Minmatar space?
4) You are running missions with SoE and you keep getting combat missions against Caldari. Either you lose standings with SoE by declining the missions or you take the missions and risk eventually getting to the point where Caldari shoot you on sight... Yes, I know you can repair standings etc ... but honestly doesn't it seem poor design that the ONLY available highsec lvl 4 agent puts you in such a situation?

Oh and on the neutrality thing... It's the Caldari who don't respect the neutrality of the SoE, not the other way round. (In reality though it's a balance issue - there is only one faction, interbus, which has positive standings to all the major factions. They have no storyline agents however so there is no way to really benefit from their derived standings)
Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#10 - 2012-02-27 03:03:39 UTC
Gicodel used to be my wardec haven, whenever my corp got griefer-decced I'd toddle off for a week or three around Gicodel missioning with SOE (lvl4) and Freedom Extension (?lvl3) whenever I chose to wait out a four-hour timer of some sort.

I don't run a lot of agent missions now, but when it's SOE I just clone-jump to X-7OMU and play on their home turf.

I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.
OfBalance
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-02-27 03:30:43 UTC
Cyniac wrote:
OfBalance wrote:
The OP's point was about isk/LP, quite clearly, so I did not miss that. But while we're on your point, I will address it:

1. SoE claims to be neutral even though standings indicate otherwise.
2. Traditionally (from a gameplay perspective, rather than lore) the SoE offer a method of repairing gallente/matar standing, thus it makes sense to have agents outside gal/matar space where their placement would otherwise be redundant in that regard.
3. I have to agree with you about the single highsec L4 agent being a bit tragic, but as I said, blind LP whoring not withstanding it is quite easy to do business with the sisters and not loose access to the caldari space they reside in.


tldr; from a practical stand-point the move actually increased the utility of SoE, not the other way around.



TL; DR; There was no actual move, SoE utility was simple reduced. Gicodel was simply nerfed as a mission hub which makes SoE an impossible choice for Gallente/Minmatar pilots who want to run missions for them and don't want/cannot operate in Caldari space.

1) There was *always* a SoE agent at Osmon that people could run combat missions with. Nothing has been added there (so from that "functional" point of view there has been no change)
2) At Gicodel there was an administration agent which gave out mostly combat missions. In the dumbing down of the mission agents all admin agents were turned into distribution agents, thus nerfing several mission hubs (Gicodel SoE was not the only one, just the most brutal example).
3) If the design principle is that you get access to agents which allow you to repair standings in your space, where are all those ammatar and khanid agents in Gallente and/or Minmatar space?
4) You are running missions with SoE and you keep getting combat missions against Caldari. Either you lose standings with SoE by declining the missions or you take the missions and risk eventually getting to the point where Caldari shoot you on sight... Yes, I know you can repair standings etc ... but honestly doesn't it seem poor design that the ONLY available highsec lvl 4 agent puts you in such a situation?

Oh and on the neutrality thing... It's the Caldari who don't respect the neutrality of the SoE, not the other way round. (In reality though it's a balance issue - there is only one faction, interbus, which has positive standings to all the major factions. They have no storyline agents however so there is no way to really benefit from their derived standings)


1 & 2. Fair points, I never paid attention to the SoE outside of gicodel. As for dumbing down the agent system, I rather like back to back combat or distribution missions. Having to break off on a hauling mission every third combat mission sucked. Perhaps some of the agents got nerfed in the process, that might be the subject of a good features and ideas post.

3. There are amarr faciton agents in gallente and minmatar space. The only imbalance I can see is that there is no SoE equivalent for amarr/caldari standing, there's mordu's legion, but they don't have any empire locations.

4. You erode caldari faction standing at a glacial pace. Assuming that you can clear epic arcs every three months, you won't even come close to going hostile with the caldari. If you simply ignore caldari standing and tunnel on SoE though, you reap the consequences. As I said, it may be worth suggesting to CCP that (in this case) one too many agents was changed causing a problem, but in the interim I was suggesting that there are many easy ways around the problem.

My apologies for not being current on the lore. Blink
Velarra
#12 - 2012-02-27 21:27:15 UTC
OfBalance wrote:
there's mordu's legion, but they don't have any empire locations.


Whose only existing 8 agents, task out of one station & solar system Shocked
OfBalance
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-02-27 21:52:51 UTC
Velarra wrote:
OfBalance wrote:
there's mordu's legion, but they don't have any empire locations.


Whose only existing 8 agents, task out of one station & solar system Shocked


You forgot to mention how amazing their LP store is too. Idea