EVE General Discussion

I love the new walking station upgrade but never the less i dont need it but this will improve the game "socials" more like all the other standerd mmorpg out there. People love to hang out with othere people just to make fun /dance /silly or just to put off some fancy clothes. And people not forget what do you think people are easyer to hang out with you just to fly some rats or farming some missions because many players ignore chat because its easy to ignore it.

Even you hate the "wow" concept in eve this is just not a easy task but this will increase players to "social" and the new players are easyer to "learn or hang out in game" Because jumping running and make fun is the best way to social with out foks out there. Typing or chatting is not the way to "express your needs" .. Yah for me english is not the best way. So for that iam with CCP

Guttripper, I said nice try at trolling, I never called you a troll but after seeing this latest bit of sarcasm from you, yeah the shoe definitely fits. By the way, learn to read and stop twisting my statements around to justify your reason for wanting to gank Avatars in high security WiS instead of going to low or null security to do it.

This is for you and the few other players who are suffering from 'selective reading disorder'.

I said high security WiS should have FPS PvP Concord sanctioned Arenas for all the players who want to do a 'Free for all' rootin tootin shoot em up game. Of course that would mean a level playing field where everyone involved has equal chance and abilities.

Seems this idea doesn't appeal to you or a few others who would much rather just do suicide ganks. Well, I had also proposed making assassination a specialized career path based on a percent chance of success due to level of skill and implants installed. I also stated that another skill set, implants, etc would be needed to help safeguard players as a counter measure.

Obviously you decided to bypass that.

Well, I'm done with this crap. I sincerely hope CCP does make high security WiS into non-consensual PvP action. My main character won't be participating but I'll definitely create a team of low skilled Avatar Attack Alts that will camp out certain CQ's and repeatedly suicide gank specific players. This 'Vendetta List' isn't grief play, it's just commonly referred to as non-consensual PvP.

Ok, you must be a roleplayer. You haven't been in combat since 5/16/10? Is this your alt hi sec toon?

Edit:Here's your schedule, ducks.

That could work as individuals who chose to gank and chose to explicitly avoid ganking would suffer penalties that other players would be free from (opportunity cost). I still am a big believer that pve components of WIS should have player interaction of a competitive nature. The market wars/price manipulations/scams we see in our current game should be translated across new pve fields in WIS.

WIS can be good, but as I've said few times already - there has to be something for the alliances and corporations to compete and earn for.

As general guideline I thought about upgradeable corporation and alliance headquarters visible to other players. AUR should be made tradeable between players and it should be used as primary payment method for such upgrades. This would give corps/alliances goals to reach and everyone could participate.

Upgrades mentioned above should be real. Not just face lifts like new furniture or new mirror. There should be additional rooms like briefing room, war room, private bar, private poker (games) room and so on. Obviously plenty of face lift items should be available for customizing every room.

In the end all NEW developers involved should get their salaries through the AURum sales and this wouldn't be avay from the FIS development. Item/room prices/selection should scale with single corporations and big alliances. Obviously biggest entities like goons would be ready to pay top AURum for totally pimped ally HQ and keep upgrading it always when new stuff arrives. Also many small 20 man corps would probably be happy to set goals to upgrade their corp HQ with some items or even private bar. Default basic corp/alliance quarters should be really plain... like 1 desk, 1 chair and plain corp logo above the DOOR.

This is WIS and PAY TO PLAY content what I can approve. Paying as group it much more fun than paying alone, specially if there is something to gain for all :)

The recent discussions continue to confirm that there is player interest in ambulation!

CCP, please realize this needs more that a skeleton crew. Before the space pants/barbie trolls jump in, I'm not asking to shut down FiS (in fact anyone following my CSM efforts knows I want lots of developers working on FIS content, Mining in particular) but the size of the team working on this is too small!

One other thing, I agree that at some point there should be some places where you ambulate that have risks, the best ideas I've heard seem to the graduated levels of security proposal. Putting my SciFi imaginati-designer-cap (tm) on, it would make sense to me that there would places in station where no weapons are allowed and then other places where sneaky folk slip about and places where bad men would slit your throat because they think you look funny. So I'd be fine with something like that.

Finally, I promised not to bring the CSM elections up here but I think we need someone on the CSM that vigorously supports ambulation. I'd ask anyone that wants more attention to ambulation to ask all the CSM candidates where they stand on ambulation and make sure you vote for the candidate that looks most like to continue to pressure CCP to deliver this much needed feature!

Issler

I agree that more than a skeleton crew is needed for WiS developement but not till after they know what the hell they are going to do with it. Right now they seem to be more focused on "let's get an idea going that he players like". Obviously there is more interest in WiS than not. This does not mean blindly making stuff that may or may not be appreciated by the community and wasting massive amounts of time and effort on something that may very well cause a lot of rage. What it does mean is use a small team to redesign and gather ideas to present to the players for an idea of what should be implemented and what would be appreciated by the community before devoting resources to it.

Some 15 female sleeve tattoos has been added to SiSi. Neither which is matching anything in game.

I really hope some kind of proper art direction will happen, soon.

Well, what I think pretty much everyone would be happy about would be a PVE environment in-station.

First thing to do is scaling down the polycounts on these models and zooming the camera out. Yeah, sure, you put so much effort in these models being awesome, and they are too. But if I wanted to produce a cool game feature really fast, I'd of think getting 2 people on the team figuring out how to implement Level Of Detail models on the avatars, and then get the camera far away from the avatar, so it gets small and low detail.

With less details on the model we'll get less boiling motherboards when a couple of NPCs show up.
And then you get a team of Level Designers creating like 20 large interior blocks that can be arranged into random levels and spawn mobs there. Yeah, someone will have to write an AI at this point too.
Players will get missions, spawn in these random instances and run around shooting these NPCs like crazy, and best part is, that if they die, they just wake up in the station's cloning bay. And if you get more people on the team you can even create something like Storybricks (google it, it's an AWESOME IDEA) to make the instances more story-aligned.

I don't really care as much for the polish of the avatars - sure you (CCP) want it to be top-shelf material, but as far as gameplay goes, a really small (diablo3-like) model in an ass-large interior running and shooting stuff, while sightseeing cool station interior spaces (cloning tanks, concord docking bays, ship cargoholds) would be a dream-come-true for most of the players.

And please notice, that I am talking PVE here, which means that during this 'mission' the player is in an instanced random encounter, so that you (CCP) won't have to figure out all the complexities of coop/pvp gameplay, and the player will play with no jacks ninja-warping in on him. Frankly, this is very much a half-feature, BUT you already got the whole WiS as a half-feature. I bet replacing CQ with/or simply adding on top of CQ an instanced PVE game would generate a hell of a lot of newcomers.

And it's not hard to figure out, that PVE instances would reward players with ISK and PVE related items. It's not hard to figure out, that it can tie to the rest of the game by providing modules that are not-PVE realted, or even providing locations to instanced missions (you killed a mob on station and now you know where their base is). It's not hard to figure out that you'd have to have a clone ready for this type of encounters, beacause it would be really sad to lose those implants in a fight aboard a station. Optional cheap Battleclones, for on-station use only could peobably make an entry. It figures you'd have to have character designers modelling dogs, slaves, escaped clones, Sansha's cyborgs and all other opponents. It figures, that you'd probably want to make it possible one day to make this a coop/PVP thing, which would require the feature to be prepared for mass player overload. The option for a single player to storm another player's/corp hangar protected by corp merc NPCs and/or Concord guards stays open, as it would run on the same frame with some minor tweaks (but I wouldn't go there, really).

Removing the PVP aspect is what can make it easy for you to implement this type of thang while not removing all the fun of killing stuff AND letting a new player immerse in the wonderful world of EVE Online more than anytime before.

Food for thought.

I really like this idea.
This way every person have what it wants in every station.
But, there must be some influence based on where, in space, station is.