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A note to CCP from a returning player who quit during Incarna-gate

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Revajin
Doomheim
#41 - 2012-02-26 22:58:30 UTC
The OP left because a service was not meeting his standards as a consumer and has now returned because he feels it does?

Profound.
Revajin
Doomheim
#42 - 2012-02-26 23:01:59 UTC
Valentyn3 wrote:
While I don't mind the irl cost of the items (modeling/texturing character like they have is balls hard and try it if you think it isn't) I don't feel that they should almost all be over 1 PLEX in cost. And I especially don't like to be dicked around with by those 1.2 PLEX price tags.

"Haha, jokes on you, now you have just enough AUR left to almost buy the cheapest item in the store. Better buy another PLEX!"


Except CCP threw us a bone and allowed us to buy NeX store items with ISK. Anyone who wasn't completely ******** around monocle-gate understood the implications. Unless CCP raises the AUR price to match rising plex prices then it will always be cheaper to simply convert your plex to isk to buy clothes. Monocles are 800 million last time I checked. Plex ranges around 450 million. Do the math. Aurum will die simply because its ******** to use it.
Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#43 - 2012-02-26 23:14:59 UTC
I disagree, The new player inflow from Incarna was gigantic and crashed the servers constantly. Due to the NEX store and Incarna EVE online is now the most popular mmorpg game and is killing off WoW/Rift and all other competitors. CCP needs to spend all of their resources into giving our Incarna characters levels, equipment, abilities and skill trees.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#44 - 2012-02-26 23:18:31 UTC
Vaal Erit wrote:
I disagree, The new player inflow from Incarna was gigantic and crashed the servers constantly. Due to the NEX store and Incarna EVE online is now the most popular mmorpg game and is killing off WoW/Rift and all other competitors. CCP needs to spend all of their resources into giving our Incarna characters levels, equipment, abilities and skill trees.



0/10

☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Valentyn3
Deep Core Mining Inc.
#45 - 2012-02-26 23:19:12 UTC
Vaal Erit wrote:
I disagree, The new player inflow from Incarna was gigantic and crashed the servers constantly. Due to the NEX store and Incarna EVE online is now the most popular mmorpg game and is killing off WoW/Rift and all other competitors. CCP needs to spend all of their resources into giving our Incarna characters levels, equipment, abilities and skill trees.


Careful there, if you try any harder you might hurt your self.

Also, abilites/skilltrees = SP Straight

I don't always use hax. But when I do, it's because I'm an NPC.. http://i.imgur.com/PUZou.jpg
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#46 - 2012-02-26 23:25:21 UTC
Revajin wrote:
The OP left because a service was not meeting his standards as a consumer and has now returned because he feels it does?

Profound.


You forgot the part where the OP specifies which areas of underperformance were the cause of his leaving. Your lack of reading comprehension is indeed profound.

Day 0 Advice for New Players
Mena Bison
Bison Industrial Inc
#47 - 2012-02-26 23:27:10 UTC
Valentyn3 wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Kale Kold wrote:

  • Nex Store! This stuff should be craftable from clothing patterns (like blueprints).

    • say WWHHAATTT ???????Shocked
    Train-up Sewing to Level V ??


    -Knitting V
    -Crocheting V
    -Sewing V
    -Measuring V
    -Hot Glue Gunning V
    -Sequins V


    -Bedazzler V
    Valentyn3
    Deep Core Mining Inc.
    #48 - 2012-02-26 23:28:42 UTC
    Mena Bison wrote:
    Valentyn3 wrote:
    Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
    Kale Kold wrote:

  • Nex Store! This stuff should be craftable from clothing patterns (like blueprints).

    • say WWHHAATTT ???????Shocked
    Train-up Sewing to Level V ??


    -Knitting V
    -Crocheting V
    -Sewing V
    -Measuring V
    -Hot Glue Gunning V
    -Sequins V


    -Bedazzler V


    I knew I was forgetting one, and one so very essential no less. Shocked

    I don't always use hax. But when I do, it's because I'm an NPC.. http://i.imgur.com/PUZou.jpg
    FilterDecay
    Perkone
    Caldari State
    #49 - 2012-02-27 00:27:45 UTC
    each level of bedazzler allows you to create 3% more sparkle while using 5% less diamonds.

    to go along with this skill is the

    hardwiring - p'diddy "dazzle fo shazzle" optical enhancer PDS100 - +3 perception 3% more sparkle 3% less diamonds used and 3% reduction in bedazzlin time.
    Revajin
    Doomheim
    #50 - 2012-02-27 00:45:17 UTC
    Mara Rinn wrote:
    Revajin wrote:
    The OP left because a service was not meeting his standards as a consumer and has now returned because he feels it does?

    Profound.


    You forgot the part where the OP specifies which areas of underperformance were the cause of his leaving. Your lack of reading comprehension is indeed profound.


    Yes that is typically what people do when they are explaining anything. I understand his criticisms, even agree with them. I think it is silly, however, to go on the forums and announce to the world that you are leaving/returning the game. It would be like walking into a Publix, standing on a crate and announcing loudly to everyone that you hadn't shopped there in 6 months because they stopped carrying Zebracakes (truly a valid reason) but had now returned because they had put them back on the shelf. Not only are your personal consumer preferences largely irrelevant to the community as a whole but the very notion of ceasing to use a product/service for not meeting your personal standards is so universally understood that to announce it is unnecessary and just seems like a grab for attention.
    Petrus Blackshell
    Rifterlings
    #51 - 2012-02-27 00:48:57 UTC
    OP IS SO BRAVE.

    Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)
    Johan Civire
    Caldari Provisions
    Caldari State
    #52 - 2012-02-27 00:50:04 UTC
    Turelus wrote:
    I left and recently came back as well for many of the same reasons.

    While I'm happier with CCP for what the past few months have shown they still have a lot of work to do to have me love them again. I'm just going to sit and watch to see how things go.

    I will say that after leaving the last time, I now know how easy it is to step away and just not care about your skills not improving. Now I can do that, I can leave any time I like.

    On a brighter note, you're doing well now CCP keep up the good work.


    100% agree on that point here. If CCP keeps doing what the are doing now many of my corps will return for sure...
    Bad Messenger
    Rehabilitation Clinic
    #53 - 2012-02-27 00:56:44 UTC
    We did not realy want you back, ccp my want your euroes but that is only reason.

    EVE is unique game and whiners like you just stopped CCP to develope it as one.

    By listening what players want EVE would be just one of wow clones.
    FilterDecay
    Perkone
    Caldari State
    #54 - 2012-02-27 01:07:17 UTC
    Bad Messenger wrote:
    We did not realy want you back, ccp my want your euroes but that is only reason.

    EVE is unique game and whiners like you just stopped CCP to develope it as one.

    By listening what players want EVE would be just one of wow clones.


    That monocle looks stupid with the missing eyebrow.
    Cipher Jones
    The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
    #55 - 2012-02-27 01:34:04 UTC
    Katja Norolyev wrote:
    Cipher Jones wrote:
    Hilmar did the right thing and it pisses people off. Everyone likes to compare WoW as the "bad" MMO, and say "look at all the players blizzard lost". WoW lost about a million people and profit went UP about 16%. Anybody that says that's a bad model to copy knows **** all about running a business. Meanwhile there's no more ways to MT in eve post Incarna than pre, just more stuff to buy, and its stuff that does not effect stats.


    Blizzard produced a stunning game (not marketing strategy) and an excellent first expansion for it (BC), building up a massive head of steam. Then, in 2008, they were bought out by Activision, under which they were made to release rapid-fire expansions that greiviously undermined the preceeding content. Activision rode the wave into the release of WotLK, but then a hard dip in subscriptions (which had been skyrocketing previously. Almost a 180 on the graph.) proved that this new "smart business model" was a disease.

    Activision, obviously well-versed in 'running a business' as you put it, decided to trade the games' longevity for a nice quartely statement, and now they have a dying property on their hands, and don't know how to fix it. (More expansions!?)


    You see, the clientele of a gaming company do not offer their patronage because the developer is a 'well run business', but because they made and maintain a kickass game. Sometimes, the best interests of a kickass game and your formulaic 'well run business' are not aligned, but in the case of a game developer, if they decide to go with the 'smart business move' at the expense of their game, ultimately they will alienate their customer base and lose everything. It's cutting open the goose that lays the golden eggs.

    In short, go back to business school, kid, but this time, don't drink the kool-aid.


    In short, you have what is called "sour grapes". Look it up, child.

    internet spaceships

    are serious business sir.

    and don't forget it
    Johan Civire
    Caldari Provisions
    Caldari State
    #56 - 2012-02-27 01:51:47 UTC
    Bad Messenger wrote:
    We did not realy want you back, ccp my want your euroes but that is only reason.

    EVE is unique game and whiners like you just stopped CCP to develope it as one.

    By listening what players want EVE would be just one of wow clones.


    Because wow is not bad wow is even good and if wow copy some of eve marketing wow will be the best if eve copy some of wow best thinks eve wil be the best space game... Just so i think you are a hater nothing more nothing less.
    Toshiroma McDiesel
    Lupus Draconis
    The Lost Drone Society
    #57 - 2012-02-27 02:44:34 UTC
    Valentyn3 wrote:


    -Knitting V
    -Crocheting V
    -Sewing V
    -Measuring V
    -Hot Glue Gunning V
    -Sequins V



    WTB Imperial Navy Bedazzler!

    I"m not really the Evil One, I'm just his answering service.
    Abyss Azizora
    Viziam
    Amarr Empire
    #58 - 2012-02-27 02:58:25 UTC
    Komen wrote:
    Abyss Azizora wrote:
    Degren wrote:
    More like

    TL;DR "I'm a customer and I vote with my money"


    If more people did, mmos wouldn't be as awful as they are today. Was glad to see the eve community (Most anyway) cared enough to quit to show CCP how utterly disconnected with the players they had become. (Mostly just that godawful CEO Hilmar of theirs.)


    Oh, Hilmar's not that bad. Look at some other studios/publishers, and their choices. While he did let arrogance over expensive pantaloons get to his head, he seems to have since mended his ways, realized the error, and refocused the company back to making ossum spezships.

    Also, if I'm not mistaken, Hilmar's been there at CCP from the start, yo. So it's as much his baby as anyone else's, and maybe more. Therefore if you like Eve you're as much indebted to him as any other CCPer, and maybe more. Thus you might want to speak more politely, even while protesting (as I did) and attempting to communicate reasonably. Namecalling achieves nothing beyond lessening the namecaller.

    Lastly, I too am not against Incarna per se; full bodied avatars with gameplay attached would have been fine. What we got instead (ugly dollhouses with no interaction between players and an absurdly overpriced, limited set of optional clothes for purchase for the dolls) was NOT fine - it was rather the opposite of fine. It was an appalling content-free (look I can walk around in my rusty coffin hotel pod is not content) feature that was rammed down our throats, whether we wanted it or not, in the course of said ramming replacing the hangar view which was more functional. Thankfully CCP pulled their heads free of a certain orifice and allowed everyone their choice of hangar view or captain's quarters. So those that like the CQ still have them, and those that like the hangar view have that.


    Well "he's not as bad as "insert other godawful CEO here" isn't much of a defense is it? Your almost certainly correct in that there are much worse people out there. This one just got caught in the act of fu****g his customerbase while laughing about it. (Almost literally in some cases.)

    Now as for having learned his lessons, I read that crappy apology too, and that idea was absolutely squashed when a internal CCP employee leaked that Hilmar (And other executives) were saying the playerbase was wrong and they were right.

    As for the "namecalling" first off I'm not trying to "communicate" anything to him directly. I highly doubt the man even cares whats said on these forums (Which was shown true during both the outcry and eventually riots.) Only when his job was in danger did that change. Next off, I add that bit to let off a bit of pure molten HATRED I feel whenever I read his name somewhere. I helps to vent that stuff, nothing more.

    I also was just fine with the idea of walking in stations. I personally would love the option to take a walking character into a casino and play a few hands of high stakes poker with massive isk or capital ships at stake. If nothing else it would give something to do during station games other than market/ship spin/log off.

    Everyone had their reasons for quitting during the incarna BS. Mine personally was the plans from CCP to implement "gold ammo" and if you are somehow blind to that having come along, a more obvious one would be outright buying ships for cash, where no manufacturer had to mine/build it first. That actually was only weeks away from being added before the riots.

    Anyway, I'm glad things have turned around "for now". But I'm still extremely "burnt" from that experience, and will never quite see EvE the same way I used to before all that. It used to be the "un-fallable" mmo, and company. I was proven they are just as corruptible as any out there. If nothing else, it's pushed me more towards being a skeptic in life. For better or for worse.
    Sasha Azala
    Doomheim
    #59 - 2012-02-27 02:59:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Sasha Azala
    Johan Civire wrote:
    Bad Messenger wrote:
    We did not realy want you back, ccp my want your euroes but that is only reason.

    EVE is unique game and whiners like you just stopped CCP to develope it as one.

    By listening what players want EVE would be just one of wow clones.


    Because wow is not bad wow is even good and if wow copy some of eve marketing wow will be the best if eve copy some of wow best thinks eve wil be the best space game... Just so i think you are a hater nothing more nothing less.



    If EVE became a space WoW type game (excluding graphics as the quality is not even remotely similar), I would definitely leave.

    I suspect many others would as well, especially when you consider the average age for this game is higher than WoW's.


    As for marketing, that gets people to play, but marketing alone will not keep people.
    Shepherd Steelringer
    #60 - 2012-02-27 03:24:21 UTC
    LOW SEC needs love!

    I just want to go to low and pew pew lose some ships wtf'ever but gate guns, sec status, kill rights make every trip to low sec basically a career choice rather than just a fun time to watch pretty explosions.

    The amount of times I have taken a small gang to low, found a target on the gate, we both want to fight but neither wants to fire the first shoot due to game mechanics >< Why you stop us from pew pew pew pew CCP? Why?

    It's not "alot". It's not "allot". It's "a lot". Two words.

    Congratulations. You just levelled up in real life.