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tteh3r
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-02-26 23:07:56 UTC
I'll try and keep this short ><

Recently came back after stopping my first time tring EvE, now i feel like i'm enjoying the game more and want to stick.

1. I want to make the move to low-sec soon but i'm not sure if this would be ok, over the past week i've done countless searchs tring to find the best ways to make ISK and most come back with ratting in 0.0, doing havens/sanctums, incursions and pretty much anything you can scan down, but all are low-sec/null. Is this true? and what kind of ISK/h are these?

2. I just grinded my urban management to 8.00 standing (with connections too) but still unable to get a jump clone, is this because of the connection skill giving me that extra .30?

3. Back when i first played i decided to get amarr logistics ship, i'm now able to fly one but don't have the proper skills/isk to do so yet, but this means alot of my SP has been put into getting that guardian, so my other skills are lacking. I'm currently using a hurricane with this fit http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/25797-Hurricane-Dark-Fusion-Terror-L3-Mission-Runner.html instead of tech2 arts i'm having to use tech1s and my dps is lacking alot and feel like my skills are letting me down as i have to warp out and in sometimes during missions. Is there anything i can do to improve besides just skills? is that fit ok?

4. Doing l3 missions with that hurricane fit above, and feels like the missions take ages, most i can make is 5m isk an hour, though i'm not salvaging as my main goal was to get a jump clone so i could try low-sec without risking implants. what should i be making in 1 hour doing L3s? because i've seen people constantly say doing missions is 60m/h.

5. kinda linked to first question, what are good ways that don't take long skillwise to make some good isk? and what are the more advance ways that bring in the big bucks? a run down of what skills/thing i'd need would be nice.

6. Joining the millitia. that means other players even in hi-sec can attack each other? also faction warfare, how does that work? and does that mean players can attack others in hi-sec? when doing research some other players said faction quests were good isk, but i dont want to lose hi-sec as the carebear place, as knowing i can go there and be safish (lolsucides) would be good.

To sum up i'm mainly asking best ways to make isk, but also some ways to make isk that i could do sooner than the more "advance" methods.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#2 - 2012-02-26 23:41:37 UTC
With a T2 fit Tengu, missioning at a relaxed pace, and not being absolutely anal-retentive about how many missiles it takes to kill the NPCs, and not having missile-oriented implants, I am making a comfortable 15-20M ISK/hr on bounties and agent rewards.

If I was to switch to T2/faction ammo, use the appropriate implants and continually adjust weapon groupings to be optimal for the targets I face, I would expect to be clearing 40M ISK/hr in bounties and agent rewards. If I was to switch to an officer-fit Golem and find an optimal group of agents for the right NPC corp, I have no doubt that I would be able to push 100M ISK/hr in bounties, rewards and sale of items bought through the LP store. I would also need a supporting account to allow farming of optimal missions (I.e: three characters who only exist to feed me Worlds Collide, Blockade, Extravaganza, Gone Berserk, etc).

5M ISK/hr is entirely reasonable for an unskilled character in L3 missions. Even better skilled characters will be limited by travel time! The fact that you are making that much ISK while having to warp out means you are doing something right,

For more ISK earning ideas: Making ISK guide in the EVElopedia.

I will have a look at your fitting soon. At about the time that the Labor Party decides which way to fail, there will be no one left in the office to see me open a fittings web site ;)

Day 0 Advice for New Players
Grikath
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-02-26 23:46:36 UTC
The BOFH will know and Cattleprod you, after taking all your stuffz!! P

Highsec isn't "Safe".  Neither is it a playground for bullies and bottomfeeders. So stop complaining and start playing the game already.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#4 - 2012-02-26 23:55:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Mara Rinn
First impression of that fit: I would experiment with tracking enhances instead of gyro stabs. With low skills and using artillery you will have a hard time hitting anything. Better tracking will help. Do you have 5 T2 drones? Are you using "keep at range", "orbit" or manually flying your ship? Do you have the "angular velocity" column showing in the overview? Do you know what your tracking speed is (right-click the artillery, select "show info")?

By keeping the enemies at greater than optimal range (somewhere inside 1 falloff outside optimal) you make it harder for them to hit you, while making it easier for you to hit them. Most NPCs will have poor artillery, or will use close-range weapons. The only defense you have against missile users is speed.

It may also be worth replacing a cap recharger with a target painter.

In general, I would suggest you maintain range where possible, and once you have range focus on minimizing angular velocity to get your artillery working to its potential. One way of minimizing angular velocity is to use "look at" to move the camera to the target ship, align the camera to look "forward" over the enemy ship, and double-click the sky "in front" of the enemy. This will get you flying in the same direction, ensuring a minimal angular velocity. There is a tracking guide on the EVElopedia which might help.

Another option is to switch to auto cannons, and get in close: again using your long falloff to your advantage.

But this is advice from a missile-spewing Tengu pilot. Take it the same way you would take real estate advice from the drunk guy in the gutter outside the pub two hours after closing time.

Day 0 Advice for New Players
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#5 - 2012-02-27 00:04:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Mara Rinn
As for militia: you will be shot at by the opposing militia and the opposing police forces while in hisec

I would highly recommend joining RvB to get into casual, regulated PvP. From memory, RvB have a perpetual war, but also have rules about what areas are "free fire" versus "non aggression" space (I.e: allowing you to run missions or go shopping outside the war zone).

Day 0 Advice for New Players
tteh3r
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-02-27 10:07:22 UTC
Thanks for the awesome replys, i did do reseeach on how turrets work with optimal range, fallout and tracking. I understand how they work and also got a "feel" of how my weapons work, at long range i target the smaller/low bounty ships first to take them out as there normaly small ships and hard to hit with arty. I move onto the other ships and try keep at a safe distance, i was using vulcan auto cannons II befor i tried arty, as i was having to chase down alot of ships with auto cannons. I switched to arty to see how that would work and try avoid all this chasing time as it was costing alot of time, so far it does seem better but i did have tech II vulcans, so my dps dropped from around 300 to 150 with drones haha.

I havn't gotten t2 drones yet but i just learned drones V so i can have 5 out now instead of 4.

I'll try those tracking enhancing you mentioned and see how that work out, again thanks for the replys :D.
malaire
#7 - 2012-02-27 10:27:15 UTC
tteh3r wrote:
I havn't gotten t2 drones yet but i just learned drones V so i can have 5 out now instead of 4.

Don't forget "Drone Interfacing" skill. 20% more drone damage per level.

T2 Drones with Drone Interfacing V is something totally different from those T1 drones with bad skills.

New to EVE? Don't forget to read: The Manual * The Wiki * The Career Options * and everything else
tteh3r
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2012-02-27 13:34:07 UTC
oooh nice, thanks for info about that skill. Theres so many in EvE ><

Is there any others you suggest i get?
Zi'Boo
Zi'Corp
#9 - 2012-02-29 05:56:21 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
As for militia: you will be shot at by the opposing militia and the opposing police forces while in hisec


Just to clarify - when you sign up for militia you get a permanent war dec from the other 2 opposing militias. This means that they can shoot you legally in high sec. There's also the issue with npc navies - whenever you enter a hostile system you will get attacked by the local navy (for example if you join minmatar FW, you will get attacked in both amarr and caldari high sec systems). This works both ways so if anyone tries to attack you in your home region they will get attacked by the navy as well.

The other things you should know about FW:
- the pay varies from pretty good to very good, depending what you want to invest your LP into and how fast do you need the isk (for example you can sell faction ships straight away but you'll only get about 1k isk per LP, however some of the rare implants or items can get you up to 5000 - 8000 isk per lp, but they'll take a couple weeks to sell)
- all FW missions are in low sec and to make it worse they're in hostile low sec, so you have to know your way around.
- all FW missions are against the other factions navy, so you'll lose standings quite fast limiting your future access to the opposing factions space even if you leave FW.
- FW missions will have you running around low sec a lot (first you need to pick up the missions from several agents, hint: doing FW missions one at a time is pointless, and then you need to run around to finish those missions) so it's often advised to pick up the missions in something small and fast and then switch to the missioning ship (which often is also small and fast - a lot of people use bombers, or bombers with some speed tanking ship, I mostly used a vaga + bomber or gila + bomber in minmatar FW and ishtar + bomber in gallente FW)
Xi 'xar
Rift Watch
#10 - 2012-02-29 07:34:31 UTC
https://gate.eveonline.com/Corporation/Estel%20Arador%20Corp%20Services - Estel Arador's jumpclone service means you don't have to grind. \o/

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tteh3r
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2012-02-29 09:47:26 UTC
Zi'Boo wrote:
Mara Rinn wrote:
As for militia: you will be shot at by the opposing militia and the opposing police forces while in hisec


Just to clarify - when you sign up for militia you get a permanent war dec from the other 2 opposing militias. This means that they can shoot you legally in high sec. There's also the issue with npc navies - whenever you enter a hostile system you will get attacked by the local navy (for example if you join minmatar FW, you will get attacked in both amarr and caldari high sec systems). This works both ways so if anyone tries to attack you in your home region they will get attacked by the navy as well.

The other things you should know about FW:
- the pay varies from pretty good to very good, depending what you want to invest your LP into and how fast do you need the isk (for example you can sell faction ships straight away but you'll only get about 1k isk per LP, however some of the rare implants or items can get you up to 5000 - 8000 isk per lp, but they'll take a couple weeks to sell)
- all FW missions are in low sec and to make it worse they're in hostile low sec, so you have to know your way around.
- all FW missions are against the other factions navy, so you'll lose standings quite fast limiting your future access to the opposing factions space even if you leave FW.
- FW missions will have you running around low sec a lot (first you need to pick up the missions from several agents, hint: doing FW missions one at a time is pointless, and then you need to run around to finish those missions) so it's often advised to pick up the missions in something small and fast and then switch to the missioning ship (which often is also small and fast - a lot of people use bombers, or bombers with some speed tanking ship, I mostly used a vaga + bomber or gila + bomber in minmatar FW and ishtar + bomber in gallente FW)


Wow thanks, thats all the info i needed about FW :O.

I did do google searchs and found some info but it wasn't as "clear" as i wanted, so i wasn't sure how it worked.

Thanks alot for that really helped me answer all the questions i had about FW.

I just got my jump clone haha, i was going to use a clone service but meh, figured i'd do missions and earn some isk :D. Thanks for help.