EVE New Citizens Q&A

We are currently at war with a corp that uses a trick, that I think is a bit unfair .

What happens is they will try and bait (which is fine), if you show up for a fight and start shooting and they see they are in trouble, they will warp in their out of corp alts (NPC corp as I recall) and have them start to remote repair - this of course will trigger aggresion timers on their alts and allow us to shoot at the alts - that is however a pretty moot point since they just turned the fight massively in their favor - when fight is over they can warp out and hide their alts wherever for the duration of the aggresion and at no point be truly in trouble.

Now these toons can basically go hide in a NPC corp, which makes it impossible for you to try and get back at them - so my question is, how can this be fair? The war is between us and their mains, why isn't remote reparing during active engagement triggering a concord response, sure as hell seems to be an aggresive move to me?

Moving your industrials etc. into NPC corps during wars make sense, but moving an alt into an NPC corp and still using them for the war should be against the rules.

"Should be" doesn't come into it. It's a valid game mechanic, and something *you* can use just as well.

Life is actually a hell of a lot better than it was, because there used to be a time where you could not shoot those "Neutral" RR toons. At all.

There's many, many tricks to highsec warfare, and this is simply but one of them. There's also many ways to make peeps pay for using neutral RR, if you have a decent FC and people actually listen to orders. After all logi ships tend to go *poof* nicely when you point/web them and change primary after they've shown their hand.

One important thing to realise is that in EVE, you are not up against "mains". You are up against players who can and will use the multiple accounts/alts options to their fullest extent, including dual- or even tripleboxing if their setup is sufficient.

Simply adjust your tactics, assuming their more than : "we fly out , and shootz stuff, then we lose our ships" is applicable here, and learn.

Any high-sec war will (almost always) include neutral alts to remote rep one or both sides. It's a fact of high-sec wars. "Fair"? No, but then Eve isn't fair.

Sad, yes.

This is false! Fleet memebership has no impact on the rules of engagement. It does not matter in the least bit if your non-corp buddy is in a fleet or not. You are certainly welcome to use non-corp buddies to help in your war, but they will be limited to shooting at those who shoot at them (and those who rep those who shoot at them).

Take heart, this is extremely likely to be nerfed into the ground this summer.

EVE isn't fair...
I'm not going to start shooting unless I'm reasonably certain I have overwhelming odds and a dirty trick or two...

The first rule of a gun fight is to bring a gun, the second rule is to invite all your friends and have them bring guns....

EDIT: Underwhelming odds... who wants underwhelming odds... Fixed it.

War decs are not meant to be fair. They are merely a compromise. In the beginning EVE don't got CONCORD or sentry guns. As a result good players farmed bad players like mad. The carebear faction in CCP argued that this will hinder the growth of EVE and the compromise came about. As any compromise this one sucks too.

Reaching for low hanging fruits was and ever will be the main source of bad game design.

The last corp I was in got War Decced by a merc group using the same mechanic. Our corp officers filed a petition and were told that this is something that CCP does not condone, has intentions on changing and actually removed the wardec status from us, which took 24 hours later.

This was probably 4 or so months ago.

That's a bit drastic ... but one of the low-numbered rules of eve (IIRC, it's 3) is "if you're in a fair fight, someone did something wrong".

Actually, they don't.
They, including myself, argue that it is a valid game mechanic, that in the past was patently unfair, and which has been adressed well over a year ago.

The result is that you can now happily shoot at "neutral" RR, as soon as they start aiding your opponents, because they will be flagged towards your whole corporation, not just the fleet you are in.

here if you don't believe me.

There is no "Unfair" about the whole thing anymore: under a wardec the moment neutral RR begins, the ship/pilot involved becomes an eligible target for your corporation. Since the flag is "criminal" , not "war", it includes the pilots in NPC corps, so that hole was closed, even though the time you can shoot him for is relatively limited.

Which is a whole damn sight better than the old situation, where you could only fight fire with fire , and bring your own neutral RR.
Oh wait, that would imply that as a "carebear" corp in highsec you need to actually employ/train/prepare pvp techniques... [/sarc]

Between being able to shoot neutral RR and the insurance nerf for gankers, the two most obvious holes in highsec (warfare) griefing have been plugged. Everything else can be solved by actually learning to play the Game beyond shooting rocks and rats, even quite casually.

The "unfair" is in your perception, not in actual game rules/mechanics.
To paraphrase an EVE Dev: EVE is not a nice place, nor is it intended to be. If you want rainbows, go play Hello Kitty Online.

Please HTFU.. All you're doing now is filling the tear-jar of the highdec griefers while giving the anti-highsec lobby more ammo.