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Is it possible to do the industry side of the game without having 2-3 accounts?

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Inkdew
#1 - 2012-02-26 14:49:53 UTC
Is it?
Zifrian
The Frog Pond
Ribbit.
#2 - 2012-02-26 15:02:25 UTC
Absolutely

To make things easier, try using your alt slots for copying, researching and such. Makes it much easier.

Maybe train an alt on a second account first for a bit, then transfer them to your main account. I did that with one of my alts and it's been pretty nice.

It all comes down to what you want to do though but I'm sure you could be successful in the industry game with just one character if you know what you are doing.

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Inkdew
#3 - 2012-02-26 15:03:47 UTC
Zifrian wrote:
Absolutely

To make things easier, try using your alt slots for copying, researching and such. Makes it much easier.

Maybe train an alt on a second account first for a bit, then transfer them to your main account. I did that with one of my alts and it's been pretty nice.

It all comes down to what you want to do though but I'm sure you could be successful in the industry game with just one character if you know what you are doing.


Alright thanks :) I meant 1 account with 3 alts though.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#4 - 2012-02-26 15:15:21 UTC
Inkdew wrote:


Alright thanks :) I meant 1 account with 3 alts though.



Yuppers.

Another poster who did not read the OP.

My take: one can never have enough Industry alts. Even the amount of High Sec PI product needed for descent Fuel Block production requires at least 2 or 3 PI alts. And if you are serious enough about Invention and Manufacturing T2, there is no such thing as too many Research and Copy slots.

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Velicitia
XS Tech
#5 - 2012-02-26 15:38:54 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:

Another poster who did not read the OP.



OP --> is industry possible without three accounts?
Zifrian --> Yeah, though it's nice to use the other two alts on your account for more slots and the like...
OP's response --> Oh, I meant is it possible to do it WITHOUT using the other two alt slots...

So Zifrian answered the OP's question exactly as originally asked. Perhaps you should re-read the OP Krixtal... Blink

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#6 - 2012-02-26 15:49:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Velicitia wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:

Another poster who did not read the OP.



OP --> is industry possible without three accounts?
Zifrian --> Yeah, though it's nice to use the other two alts on your account for more slots and the like...
OP's response --> Oh, I meant is it possible to do it WITHOUT using the other two alt slots...

So Zifrian answered the OP's question exactly as originally asked. Perhaps you should re-read the OP Krixtal... Blink



He points out how to do it with multiples...and NOT single account. Response still a Phail.

Simply saying "Yes" then outlining something completely different ???????

And you think I mis-read or made a mistake ? God you must be bored this Sunday..............

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Inkdew
#7 - 2012-02-26 15:51:57 UTC
Ok maybe i was not clear enough, i was wondering if it is possible to use the 3 alts on ONE account to do good industry, I wanted to make sure i did not need to pay for more than one ACCOUNT.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#8 - 2012-02-26 15:53:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Inkdew wrote:
Ok maybe i was not clear enough, i was wondering if it is possible to use the 3 alts on ONE account to do good industry, I wanted to make sure i did not need to pay for more than one ACCOUNT.


Yes it is POSSIBLE, if you do not mind the toons sharing training time......but OBVIOUSLY its not that efficient or smart.

Besides, after 8 months of gameplay you should be able to afford one account at least with a PLEX.

Done.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

MadMuppet
Critical Mass Inc
#9 - 2012-02-26 15:54:52 UTC
It is absolutely possible to do the game with just one character if you want, it just all depends on the speed at which you want to operate and what you consider a viable profit margin. For me the industry side started out only as making ammo for my ships because I prefer autocannons and the eat a lot of it. When I took a stab at faction warfare I took a bunch of my 'worthless' loot and melted it down and made Thrashers, Rifters, and rigs.

So there, I did use some of the industry side of the game for my own needs. What was my profit? There is the real question. Did I save money making my Rifters over buying them? Yes and no. For the area I was in it was cheaper to make the Rifters than buy them, but if I had been willing to fly to a trade hub I could have picked them up for much less.

The effect can be a lot more noticeable with ammo. Where I really found a benefit to it was in low-sec. Sometimes the ammo I needed was either not available or extremely expensive (5x trade hub cost). A trip to a trade hub meant running gate camps and potentially losing more than what the cost difference was, not to mention the time invested.

So yes, it can be done, you can even run a small POS if you want to (for between 3-6 million isk a day depending on what the ice market is like in your area) which means timely operations in systems without stations (if there are any free moons) if you mine. Tinker with it, and if it is something you like, seriously consider learning to fly and buying an Orca, if not you can walk away without burning very many skill points.

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Zifrian
The Frog Pond
Ribbit.
#10 - 2012-02-26 17:33:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Zifrian
Velicitia wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:

Another poster who did not read the OP.



OP --> is industry possible without three accounts?
Zifrian --> Yeah, though it's nice to use the other two alts on your account for more slots and the like...
OP's response --> Oh, I meant is it possible to do it WITHOUT using the other two alt slots...

So Zifrian answered the OP's question exactly as originally asked. Perhaps you should re-read the OP Krixtal... Blink

I hide his posts because he seldom adds anything other than trolling comments. Looks like I'm still right Smile

As far as more than one account, it was just a suggestion that you could run a trial or buddy account/etc for a month since training two chars on the same account is frustrating. But if not, my original reply is still true - completely possible to be successful in industry with one account.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#11 - 2012-02-26 19:25:18 UTC
Zifrian wrote:

I hide his posts because he seldom adds anything other than trolling comments. Looks like I'm still right Smile



There are 4 possible referents in your quoteage as to whom exactly is hidden....................

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Tidurious
Blatant Alt Corp
#12 - 2012-02-26 22:40:50 UTC
The entire point of an MMORPG is to WORK TOGETHER to do things. You should be making friends to work with, not creating more alts. The creation of multiple alts to replace friends in game is what is keeping EVE stagnant and making the game less cooperative.

Find others who are like minded, build some trust, and go from there.
Ironlenny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2012-02-26 23:49:31 UTC
Tidurious wrote:
The entire point of an MMORPG is to WORK TOGETHER to do things. You should be making friends to work with, not creating more alts. The creation of multiple alts to replace friends in game is what is keeping EVE stagnant and making the game less cooperative.

Find others who are like minded, build some trust, and go from there.


While that may be the intended goal, the trouble is there are activities in eve that are easier to do with alts (thus more profitable) than with other people.40
Malek Al Ni-Kunni
#14 - 2012-02-27 00:14:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Malek Al Ni-Kunni
Protip if you are not one to pause training on your main: do whatever it is you currently do for isk, buy assistant characters for your alt slots out of the bazaar. I still do things from one account, although i've recently let go of one of my industrial helpers to make room for a pvp character. My setup went something like this:

1. First character, started as a miner, expanded into mission running and some trading, then went about training for all the advanced research and manufacturing stuff. Made some good isk manufacturing from blueprints out of the LP stores and eventually bought my first helper.

Note for the above: Standings gained here were vital to reduce taxes, allow me to set up a POS, and lots of other good stuff. It helps a heap to have a good mission runner as your backbone.

2. Helper #1: Basic research and manufacture character with a few million sp. Allowed me to use more slots and get my production lines really running for the first time. At this point I more or less quit the mission-runner training on my main and got more heavily into trade skills, picked up some more advanced research/invention skills to boot.

3. Helper #2: Basic research and manufacture character with freighter skills. The trigger for buying this character was volume. I had trouble getting things to market on time using just contracts and really wanted some independence at the same time. Having a hauler really helped me out in this regard and the extra slots of course were never wasted. With this character up and running my operation was running in full swing. I snagged some ice harvesting and PI skills on my main to round out my self-sufficient core operations, assuring that I wouldn't be at the mercy of the market if necessary items spiked.

There were a few imperfections that bugged me not having more than one account, ideally I wanted to boost the standings on my alts and set them all up with research agents and trade hubs of their own, but that was simply not happening on one account and the necessary evil of keeping my main posted most of the time at Jita to sell my wares never dragged on me that much since my POS was not far away.

To give you an idea of how succesful the venture was overall, I started playing in early 2009 and I cleared 110billion in NAV at the end of last year. Not too shabby considering I am a weekend warrior, usually on 2-3 nights a week, and I have paid for my account with PLEX since 2010. I made enough isk that I recently sold my first helper alt and plan to put my main on alt duty, assuming I can find myself a nice pvp character for sale to fill the void. Bear

Good luck with your own ventures, a one-account empire is quite a good feeling. Listening to people talk about the absurd number of accounts they use just makes me laugh. I can't really imagine horsing around with 2 or more EVE windows, but I imagine it makes EVE feel like a job and that was something I set out to avoid at all costs.
LuckyQuarter
Eden Dominion Coalition
Scary Wormhole People
#15 - 2012-02-27 00:39:45 UTC
Yup -- no need for alts at all. It makes the game much more fun when the main char is all you have. And honestly, if it is decently trained there are enough ways to get by w/o the alts. The only issues where you maybe tempted to use an alt are for cyno/scouting towards low/nullsec and for packaging goods into courier contracts in order to hide their contents underneath several layers of wrapper. Miners also might be tempted to have a dedicated orca/mindlink alt.

But you can be perfectly successful without all that extra work.
Craterius
Symple Onez
#16 - 2012-02-27 00:44:46 UTC
Inkdew wrote:
Ok maybe i was not clear enough, i was wondering if it is possible to use the 3 alts on ONE account to do good industry, I wanted to make sure i did not need to pay for more than one ACCOUNT.



Certainly. There are many ways to do this.

I have played this game with three accounts (9 characters) and have cut back to one account (3 characters).

Yes, you can produce more isk with more characters. But, it takes more time, and cost more in game fees.

What part of industry interests you? If manufacturing, then train your main (first) to be able to manufacture whatever you choose to manufacture (I initially chose rigs, before CCP changed the game to make rigs of all sizes). Set up one alt in Jita, to keep track of the market, and to place purchase orders of salvage. Used a second alt as courier. Exchanged isk between the 3 characters as needed. Made a very satisfactory amount of isk, plus the satisfaction of building something from salvage that someone else wanted to buy, for a profit. Use contracts to exchange goods between my characters.

Can easily train alts to lvl 4 PI skills, for reasonable amount of extra isk. I trained one alt to minimum industrial level to fly a bestower, with a cloak, into losec (to take advantage of better PI planets). Just need to go one or two jumps into lowsec. Get ganked every once in a while (cost about 1m isk), but make more than 100m isk per month. There are other ways to do this.

Not too hard to train to hire research agents. Once the basic skills are learned, you get passive income, forever.

As I say, lots of possibilities, depending on how you want to play the game.

P.S. My main is also extensively trained in exploration, so spends time deep in lowsec and nullsec with a Pilgrim, soon to be an Ishtar. All part of the sandbox.
Styth spiting
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2012-02-27 01:34:48 UTC
It's totally possible, but the more alt accounts you add the more isk, pi, rp, research, manufacturing, etc you can do. The more alts you have the more you can make.

Malek Al Ni-Kunni
#18 - 2012-02-27 02:53:18 UTC
Styth spiting wrote:
It's totally possible, but the more alt accounts you add the more isk, pi, rp, research, manufacturing, etc you can do. The more alts you have the more you can make.



People say this kind of thing all the time and in-part it is true, but most people never fully examine the proposition here. For every account you add there is the monthly fee associated with it, so right there and then you deduct (at today's prices) ~500mil per month from your profits. Now, you might argue, that account with three character slots is going to generate much more than that! Of course it will, but it will take either time (training) or isk (character purchase) to realize that long-term profit you imagined.

After you realize the short-term capital you will be dealing with you then have to take a look at another (imho, more important) factor: your time. How much time do you want to spend making isk? Yes, the process of making ISK scales up rather nicely in some professions (esp. manufacturing and trading), but time is a finite resource and at some point you will find yourself making the following choice:

1. Fully utilize the isk-making potential of all my characters
2. Don't spend that much time on the isk-making characters so I can do something fun (arbitrary assumption that grinding isk is not a goal in and of itself, if that's not the case for you, I guess my post has no application for you).

Lets explore a hypothetical. Say I have one player (A) who runs one account, managing two manufacturing characters and a jack-of-all-trades main. Not unlike my own setup. Say I have another player (B) who runs three accounts with a pvp main and eight alts, some of whom do PI, others that run manufacturing and research jobs, and others that trade the goods, with a hauler thrown in for good measure.

Player A devotes about an hour a day maintaining the operation, he can realize 90% of his possible earnings doing this. He makes 1bilion isk a month. (Hypothetical, round numbers for round numbers' sake)

Player B devotes about an hour a day maintaining his operation, but he can only realize 50% or so of his possible earnings. He makes 3 billion isk per month.

Now, i'm not going to argue that B is making less isk or that in any realistic scenario B would be loosing isk for having more characters, because in all honesty the least amount of work will probably see B break even with A unless there was a huge difference in the efficiency of their operations stilted to A's advantage. The argument I will make; however, is that A is able to make the most of his single subscription without investing much more time. In terms of rote efficiency player A is better off. If he takes time off and scales back his operation, he doesn't end up paying for dead-weight. If he wants to crank up he earning another 10% to the max, he only needs to invest another incremental amount of time.

The point being, there are plenty of situations in this game where having multiple accounts is advantageous, but I believe it is quite misleading to suggest that there nothing to consider except "how much more isk do you want to make?"
Styth spiting
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2012-02-27 05:32:47 UTC
I agree with what you're saying Malek Al Ni-Kunni but the poster sounded like they wanted to know if you can do industry with 1 account which you can of course, but the more alts you put into the mix the easier it is, and not just based on how much isk you can buy.

The main examples would be increasing the number of copies/research/manufacturing/etc you can do. Having alts in different systems would make it easier to find available stations and so on.

Another use would be just training your 3 extra characters up to being able to do L4 R&D. Just login to the accounts and train them up for 3 months, spend a day or two with each running missions to get their standing up and now your making (rough estimate) 8 datacores per alt (8*3*100,000*30) comes to 700m isk you would save instead of buying them. The same can be said with PI. If you wanted to not spend isk on fuel for a POS having several alts generating the PI would save you quite a bit each month.

Having extra alts isn't just about making isk, it gives you many more features and services compared to 1 player (being able to have thousands of sell orders, market items, etc).

Personally I don't do this, but its what I assume the people with several accounts do.