EVE General Discussion

your KB is ugly. work on it.
Not everyone can fly a titan

Not everyone wants to go out to 0.0 space but then again i think no one has learned that people play the game the way they wish to enjoy it not to your whims.

As mentioned i will welcome my russian Overlords atleast they have honor

You raise an interesting point. Sansha can hotdrop its NPC motherships, why can't we hotdrop our much smaller carriers

Comments pretty much sums up Incursions crowd. People bemoan the Goons and Darius, in fact even goons dislike Darius. But however obnoxious either may be in reality or people's minds, neither compare the loathsome obnoxious entitlement of the PvE Raid type player.

CCP don't cater to these people, send them back to whatever horrible Themepark game they came from.

There's a simple cure...PvP vulnerability, No Incursion should be free from PvP or be afforded the protection of CONCORD.

Hey it is not his fault that a billion loss is less significant to him, than your scout ship is to you. Maybe you should work on your income sources? scnr



I hope you are away that they did lose far more isk per player than you guys did? They lost around 25% of their fleet, and the ships they lost are far more expensive than the average cost of the ships you guys lost. And with far more we are speaking of a whole magnitude more, sometimes even two...

2245 Ships involved in your "Battle Summary for 6OYQ-Z, 2012-02-20 23:04 - 01:14" and still only 319 blow up (less than 15%), around 20 billion isk destroyed, that is an average value of 0.065 billion isk per ship. 65 Million per ship on average. Thats around a third of a cheap logistic fitting and about 1/30 of a shinny and common dps fitting.

So if this report speaks of risk of null sec, you would have to fight this kind of battles either about 100 times more often than incursions runners are doing hq. Or incursion runners should only fail like this once in 100 hq sites. If this would be the case you could rightfully complain about the low risks of incursion hq sites.

*shrugs* In the case of vanguards this could be actually true, as you normally do not lose a single ship even after 100 sites.

I dont go to highsec, just go to low and null.

By no means these sites are risk free. we have to be allways on our toes. The risk comming mostly from pvp as other fleets will try and catch the incursioners.

To me losing my dps ship as a huge impact, because i burn the isk i make in incursions in pvp. I dont live in incursions 24x7, i make one, play eve for 1-2 months, then go on another to replenish my war chest.


If anything, make incursion sites "criminal free", make kills in these sites have no affect in standings or repecursions from concord.

If i remember right, when they announced incursions the video said we could "chose our side", how can this be done if concord will blow things up? :)

Make people be able to chose an allignment pro-Sansha / anti-Sansha. Sansha alligned players could not receive any isk from incursions, and would not get agression from sansha rats. Make incursion areas Concord free (temporarily null behaviour).

Or (and), make a Isk Pool just like the LP pool, players only get their Isk if the Mothership is killed, meaning that less players will run the sites as they will go only on sites where they can muster a force to kill the mothership in the end.

That are my sugestions. These will well reduce the isk faucet without tempering with incursion rewards, by simply increasing the risk comming from player based actions.

I've been reading this thread for awhile now and it just looks like the 'shinny' fleet guys want to buff payouts from incursions so they're using their alts etc to keep posting so it looks lik ethey have more support. Me, i dont find incursions attractive enough to run them constantly so i can sit and cuddle me wallet.
What people need to understand is in highsec there are a few ways to make isk, these are all outweighed by the isk you can make in incursions, i mean running vanguards in a good shinny fleet can net you 2 or 3 times what you can earn doing any other activity. I also like the way some of you attempt to bring the old argument of 'some people dont want to go to low/nullsec' and the other attempts at bringing 'noobs' into the equasion.
Firstly, no new player has a chance to get into any good fleets, they may aswell run missions or do something else becuase by the time they get into a fleet they would have been sitting around for an hour or more and their fleet will consist of other poorly skilled characters. Secondly, if you dont want to go to any system below 0.5 dont, its that simple.
'Buff incursion' bears should feel ashamed at themselves for trying to push their own agendas forward so that they can keep making (more) isk than they already do, those of you who say daft things like 'i only get to play every now and then and incursions are my only form of income, if i dont have that i'd quit' i wish you would quit, eve would be a better place.
Stop posting ideas on how to make incursions 'pay' more, they're are stupid posts from what i can only assume are mentally challenged people.

yeah of course incursions are balanced, 100m+ isk/hr printed risk-free in hisec lol

it's getting nerfed, deal with it

incursions arent the source of inflation if you read the god dam stats....

the source is from stupid fucks ******* up the whole market with their bottomless pit of isk created by sitting on technetium moons or any other moon regarded as a high end.

fix that and leave incursions alone people still have to work together to make the isk/hour in the first place not like sitting on a mountain of gold which doesn't run out.

This is a good post.

Personally I think incursions are great. They allow new and old players to make enough isk quickly so that they can pvp more often. Ratting for hours on end to PLEX an account just doesn't seem viable to me. And nerfing them doesn't make sense when there are cash cows like wormholes or the holy grail of moon mining.

Moving forward, I think one of the funnest parts of incursions is when I get to contest other fleets, yet I never get to know how much I win the contests by. It be interesting if a meter, or bar or something along those lines came up when another fleet entered the site. And the meter showed the amount of dps each fleet was putting out. That way each fleet knew how close they were to gaining the prize of trolling rights, and during the site pressure would run high when the meter started to turn away from ones own fleet.

Great work CCP on incursions. Really hope you don't nerf them as others would have you do.