Player Features and Ideas Discussion

…except that you just said that you don't. You're arguing against things that would create equality. You are also completely unable to explain what supposed inequality there is.

Having just read the OP's drivel on hisec caps, I have a question for the OP, why is it so so hard for you to understand that hisec caps have no valid purpose and are therefore no threat to anybody?

They are a relic of bygone days when cap production was possible in hisec, as such they have "grandfather" rights as long as the owners do not break the rules as set down by CCP.

Real world example of grandfather rights coming up btw.

In the UK our driving licence rules have changed somewhat since I passed my driving test, under current legislation to tow a trailer/caravan, ride a moped, or drive a commercial vehicle requires separate driving tests for separate licence categories. All drivers who have passed their driving test after an arbitrary date have to abide by this legislation in order to be legally able to drive vehicles covered by this.

I however passed my driving test way before this legislation was brought in, I do not need to take these separate tests because at the time I passed my test a full driving licence covered all of these catergories, this is called grandfather rights, it is a relic of bygone days when legislation was different. Does this make me special? no it just makes me old :P.

It is no different in game, the caps were produced in hisec according to the rules at the the time of construction, they are severely restricted in use by the current rules, stop your bleating and HTFU as you so eloquently titled the thread.

I underlined and bolded the important part, hisec caps do not affect game balance, they cannot be used in combat or missioning, all they can do is shoot at roids or clog up the undock, ergo they are useless relics of the past.

And for your information I do ride a motorcycle complete with a helmet as required by the current law, which is there to lower the risk of the contents of my skull being painted all over the front end of a car, which is something I would very much like to avoid tyvm. In 1906 it may well have been possible to ride a motorcycle without a helmet, the law changed in tune with the times, it lowered fatality rates and lets face it there have been to vast increases in vehicle speed and materials technology since then.

To paraphrase Mr Epeen, GBTW

The part where you fail (the part I feel like bringing up) is that there is no preferential treatment. CCP is even letting those who use questionable methods to get their caps into HS keep them. So, you want a cap in HS, get it there. Then find out how useless it actually is.

Also I like the part where you expect CCP to have actually read the thread. We all know it takes a report for most threads to be noticed.

Dear Smakos,
After reading this thread, I feel that the OP is having the some internal monologue that we are not hearing… I will try to interpret and read between the lines of the internet crazy and non-responses to questions.

I believe the OP is concerned for the state of affairs at CCP;

• Sticking to their guns when they make changes to the game
• Favoritism for any groups

Especially as a predictive strategy moving into the future-future—future---future(notice sweet reverb).

As to my own take on these subjects, 1st sticking to changes made to the game. F*ck yeah they stick to their changes, often no matter how many people cry, scream, and moan. Examples;

Capital Ship Drone bays – fighters and bombers only

I believe that a lot of Cap pilots with their winsauce dreads were PISSED they could no longer just WIN. Many forum posts were to that effect… End result: dread pilots spilled tears, and then got on with the new reality.

Used to be able to buy industrial trade goods – no longer NPC seeded

Used to be able to buy transcranial microcontrollers from Isukone, its still listed on their profile under market activities. Mechanical parts, construction blocks, oxygen, silicon, all previously available from correct NPC station, no longer.

NeX store not being able to buy skill points

This appears to be the most Holy-of-holies, and for good reason. Since if they ever do let this abomination roll out it will invalidate anyone who has put in the time on the game, especially all the old school player, it would be pay to win. They even went as far as to remove ghost training… who remembers that? Race Capital 5 here I come, unsub… see you in six months.

The whole walking in stations thing… I and everyone else was unable to play the game unless you made a new avatar… no exceptions. How I miss my empty grey silhouette.

How the forums were alight for a whole season of this is not the game we were promised, or for some, even wanted. End result: after people voted with their pockets, Helmar rolled out his ‘sorry I f*cked up letter.’

Scorpion battle ship – rebuilt visuals

All were changed… but what if I liked the side-assed one? Tough luck, CCP broke into your hanger and rebuilt it. Yes, even the Entity’s hangar.

As to the next on favoritism. Yes there will be people or groups of people that will get some advantage over others. Where have you been living, under a rock? CCP is staffed by people not robots, and there is no universal “FAIR.” I don’t even know what that would look like. Has favoritism been a problem in the past… HELL YEAH. Will it be in the future… NOoooo(bwah-hahaha) sorry couldn’t keep a straight face on that one. Yes, someone, somewhere will get an advantage either subtle or gross, and if they get caught there MIGHT be a witch hunt. Example;

T20 bpo fiasco anyone?

Dev gave BoB 20+ T2 bpos and perhaps moon data on nullsec regions

POS reactor doubling code exploit

Code exploited – ban hammer deployed, and CCP says we took care of it, no info provided

CCP Santa loot stravaganza

Certain fleets in place at right times for phat lootz, cannot be proved nor disproved that wrong doings were done. But Goons got majority of loot.

How does that relate to the future? Well I don’t know about you but I’m sure if something were to come out, say this summer, and it featured immortal clone troopers killing each other, and it made CCP a ton of cash, I’d be willing to supposition that perhaps some love would be lost for all the internet spaceships. That’s just based on previous knowledge that money from the internet spaceship game, was kinda funneled into games about Vampires and Clone troopers, using perhaps the inflicted “update” that everyone hated. But everyone has their own ax to grind… its only human nature.

The game is subject to change at any-time, go with the flow or give me all your stuff and quit. OR if you really want to bring about change, start with a forum post and try running for CSM. Since this is the ONLY game I know of that has a group of players meet and talk with Devs and maybe be taken seriously.

My personal feelings on the Veldnaught and few ships like it... they are the exception that proves the rule. As far as giving them an undue exploit over me? No they have been 'bought and paid' for by players that have been playing this game for a f*cking long ass time. You could have had one too if you started way-back-when... but was a limited time offer, some restrictions may apply.

In closing, CCP does make most of its changes stick, and CCP will give favoritism to someone, and by default CCP will always give highest priority to CCP.
-ASV

I got banned for this thread so I just want'ed to clear the air: I change my mind. Eve is perfect and CCP doesen't need to harden the **** up. I can not for the life of me understand what I was concerned about.

I also want to direct a big thanks to my doctor who provided me with these pills he said would make me more complian.. erh better. Yes better, that's what he said.

cheerio.

would've just done better to lock it.

wasn't this covered by the same person/alt a few threads back ?

caps in high sec,, jesus break dancing christ some people need to read a book ,, or wtach a movie, or,, hell,, talk a walk in the sunshine now and then, lol .