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A Hamrite Journey (formerly: Amarr for the Glory of God)

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Khazarn Areth
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2012-02-24 23:27:24 UTC
Vallek Arkonnis wrote:

What needs preemptive offense is your unbridled freedom in the bedroom and material aid to Matari freedom fighters. Fix the free and open entertainment industry in your own Federation before casting stones at the immoral cesspool i reside in


Fixed that for you, no need to say thanks.

Bloody Omir's coming back Monsters from the endless black Wading through a crimson flood Omir's come to drink your blood

Vallek Arkonnis
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2012-02-24 23:57:32 UTC
Khazarn Areth wrote:
Vallek Arkonnis wrote:

What needs preemptive offense is your unbridled freedom in the bedroom and material aid to Matari freedom fighters. Fix the free and open entertainment industry in your own Federation before casting stones at the immoral cesspool i reside in


Fixed that for you, no need to say thanks.


Go cut yourself, heretic.
Khazarn Areth
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2012-02-25 00:15:42 UTC
Id much rather bleed you Mr. Arkonnis.

Bloody Omir's coming back Monsters from the endless black Wading through a crimson flood Omir's come to drink your blood

Ava Starfire
Khushakor Clan
#24 - 2012-02-25 01:40:14 UTC
Theobar Cresthill wrote:
Ava Starfire wrote:
That you take pride in killing betrays your lack of righteousness.


No, I take pride in defending our children, women, homes, households, held ones, and a way of life from those who would seek to destroy.


We rebelled for these very reasons, and we're labelled barbarians.

I have destroyed my share of enemy vessels, Pilot; over 100 in single combat at last count.

I dont flaunt "jingling dog tags" and beg for a treat and parental praise like a child who has completed his chores.

"There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception." -Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North"

Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#25 - 2012-02-25 01:42:01 UTC
Vallek Arkonnis wrote:
moral bankruptcy


This coming from an Empire where I've witnessed Holders attempt to remove each other from existence and enlisting the aid of Nation to do so is most amusing.

Perhaps you should realise all the Empires have their flaws and when you're done throwing stones at one another you can fix up your own glass houses.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.

Theobar Cresthill
The Arzad Hamri Fellowship
#26 - 2012-02-25 02:18:45 UTC
Ava Starfire wrote:

I dont flaunt "jingling dog tags" and beg for a treat and parental praise like a child who has completed his chores.


Dear Miss Starfire,

Had you been a "held one" with the Cresthill Holders, you would not have missed out on the nurture and parental guidance that would have shaped your spirituality to a fulness that you now obviously lack. I am very sorry that you were taken a slave by a false holder and never shown the true compassion and love that a true holder would have shown you. It is not too late for you to receive the parental praise that the child's heart within you craves. The Cresthills would gladly take you under our compassionate wings and help you walk in the light and mercy of God. You seem to me like a very hungry soul, much in need of reclaiming.

"The fire in our hearts burns for salvation, redemption, and grace. May the Word of God grant you the courage to save yourself and your people" (The Last Words of Arzad Hamri)

Ava Starfire
Khushakor Clan
#27 - 2012-02-25 02:32:21 UTC
My Mom and Dad did a fine job of raising me with spirituality and love.

I dont think that you and I have the same meaning ascribed to the words.

"There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception." -Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North"

Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#28 - 2012-02-25 04:58:28 UTC
Theobar Cresthill wrote:
You seem to me like a very hungry soul, much in need of reclaiming.


Now that's just creepy.

Right down to the bit where I'm almost confident you were looking over her Galnet profile image as you were writing this.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.

Apollo Lyserius
Minerva Technologies
#29 - 2012-02-25 05:44:22 UTC
Vallek Arkonnis wrote:


Hey, what's the difference between a Minmatar serf and a Caldari vassal? Give up? Nothing!

What needs preemptive offense is your unbridled hedonism and material aid to terrorists. Fix the moral bankruptcy in your own Federation before casting stones at the Empire.


We're doing just fine abolishing primitive concepts such as what is "Right" or "Wrong".

Mr. Marellus is just right about the flaws of each Empire. I am not trying to throw any stones, though. I am just reciting what would make people stop throwing stones (Or shooting heavy cannons) at you, and why they have been thrown so far.
Theobar Cresthill
The Arzad Hamri Fellowship
#30 - 2012-02-25 13:35:41 UTC
Caellach Marellus wrote:
Theobar Cresthill wrote:
You seem to me like a very hungry soul, much in need of reclaiming.


Now that's just creepy.

Right down to the bit where I'm almost confident you were looking over her Galnet profile image as you were writing this.


Perhaps you should stop projecting your own twisted, godless, perverted mind on others and concentrate on the need for your own empty soul to be reclaimed, Mr. Marellus.

The so-called free nations are under a false assuption that liberty is obtained by freeing the body to self-will. Problem is, the mind and spirit become imprisoned in depravity, violence, hedonism, and self-destruction. Amarr "slavery" as you call it, "holds" the body of the wayward in subjection while liberating the spirit, mind, soul from bondage into the freedom of God. Eventually, when the slave is set free, that whole person is free, not just a free body in a depraved, imprisoned mind and spirit. The true holder is the real instrument of emancipation.

Don't pat yourselves on the back and praise yourselves for how advanced you are. You are spiritually primitive. Yes, you need to be reclaimed.

"The fire in our hearts burns for salvation, redemption, and grace. May the Word of God grant you the courage to save yourself and your people" (The Last Words of Arzad Hamri)

Khazarn Areth
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2012-02-25 13:43:02 UTC
Theobar Cresthill wrote:

The so-called free nations are under a false assuption that liberty is obtained by freeing the body to self-will. Problem is, the mind and spirit become imprisoned in depravity, violence, hedonism, and self-destruction. Amarr "slavery" as you call it, "holds" the body of the wayward in subjection while liberating the spirit, mind, soul from bondage into the freedom of God. Eventually, when the slave is set free, that whole person is free, not just a free body in a depraved, imprisoned mind and spirit. The true holder is the real instrument of emancipation.


You are your own god Mr Cresthill, or do you feel safer, cradled and coerced by the idea that there is a supreme being out there that can look after you, that can justify your actions when really all you do is the will of puppet just like you a puppet of the Theology Council.

You fear being in control, the very idea of making a choice or decision based on free will terrifies you so you rely on holy writ and scripture, an instruction manual to a boring and ignorant life of fear.

Bloody Omir's coming back Monsters from the endless black Wading through a crimson flood Omir's come to drink your blood

Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#32 - 2012-02-25 15:17:53 UTC
Theobar Cresthill wrote:
Perhaps you should stop projecting your own twisted, godless, perverted mind on others and concentrate on the need for your own empty soul to be reclaimed, Mr. Marellus.


The fact you understood where I was coming from proves my point.

Interesting that you say I need reclaiming, that suggests I was already owned once and require re-owning once more. I was born free and live free and one day I'll most likely die free.

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The so-called free nations are under a false assuption that liberty is obtained by freeing the body to self-will. Problem is, the mind and spirit become imprisoned in depravity, violence, hedonism, and self-destruction. Amarr "slavery" as you call it, "holds" the body of the wayward in subjection while liberating the spirit, mind, soul from bondage into the freedom of God.


So what you're saying is it's not slavery, you're just holding people against their will and subjecting them to various methods of discipline and torture until they are programmed to think as you do. You see this I'd accept as something other than slavery if you didn't spend the time they were going through "education" serving you as you see fit. You see that part? Yeah that's slavery, and there's no nice way of dressing it up with words to suggest it's anything else.

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Eventually, when the slave is set free, that whole person is free, not just a free body in a depraved, imprisoned mind and spirit. The true holder is the real instrument of emancipation.


Except they're programmed to think along another person's set of ideals and repeat an endless cycle. You're only one step below Kuvakei on the madness level in that you have to actually break your subjects instead of using implants to simply erase and program. That's not a good thing though.

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Don't pat yourselves on the back and praise yourselves for how advanced you are. You are spiritually primitive.


Using religious belief as an excuse to justify barbarism is spiritually primitive Captain, you see if there really is a God you're claiming to do all this in their name without so much as actual acknowledgement. Pretty sure that's blasphemy, and no some old writings from a few men who had a bit of clout and opinion to convince their local masses to follow them is not proof of justification.

On the other side, if there's a God who can take their creations and gladly have them subjected to slavery to their equal in kind, then they're not my God and I wouldn't follow him even if they came down and demanded it to my face.

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Yes, you need to be reclaimed.


Try it, I'll let you know now the outcome. You'll reclaim exactly one bullet for every attempt, now here's the beauty of free will. I'll let you dictate which part of your body gets hit each time.

Oh and before you use the above to suggest violent actions as barbarism and proof of a lack of spirituality and blah blah blah.. I'm not the one jingling dog tags of men and women he's gunned down.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.

Theobar Cresthill
The Arzad Hamri Fellowship
#33 - 2012-02-25 16:54:23 UTC
Caellach Marellus wrote:
...if there really is a God...


This is why you need to be reclaimed, son.

"The fire in our hearts burns for salvation, redemption, and grace. May the Word of God grant you the courage to save yourself and your people" (The Last Words of Arzad Hamri)

Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#34 - 2012-02-25 17:38:37 UTC
Theobar Cresthill wrote:
Caellach Marellus wrote:
...if there really is a God...


This is why you need to be reclaimed, son.


Sorry Dad. Pass me the weird smelling stuff and I'll join you in the make believe world.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.

Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2012-02-25 23:52:14 UTC
Theobar Cresthill wrote:
Today I walked into Choonka’s Diner with 40 Republic insignia dog tags jingling around my belt, proud of the work I am doing in faithfulness to my God and Empress. There I sat with faithful brothers as we ate and drank and celebrated the righteousness of our cause and the assurance of just motives that we carry into every battle, conflict, and mission.



I think the biggest problem with the Empire is that the armed populace is using vague interpretations of ancient text as an excuse to go and kill people.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Theobar Cresthill
The Arzad Hamri Fellowship
#36 - 2012-02-26 01:22:15 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
I think the biggest problem with the Empire is that the armed populace is using vague interpretations of ancient text as an excuse to go and kill people.

...says the guy who belongs to a Corp called "Kings of Kill."

"The fire in our hearts burns for salvation, redemption, and grace. May the Word of God grant you the courage to save yourself and your people" (The Last Words of Arzad Hamri)

Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#37 - 2012-02-26 12:24:53 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Theobar Cresthill wrote:
Today I walked into Choonka’s Diner with 40 Republic insignia dog tags jingling around my belt, proud of the work I am doing in faithfulness to my God and Empress. There I sat with faithful brothers as we ate and drank and celebrated the righteousness of our cause and the assurance of just motives that we carry into every battle, conflict, and mission.



I think the biggest problem with the Empire is that the armed populace is using vague interpretations of ancient text as an excuse to go and kill people.


Yea, who needs an excuse for that.

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude

Astrid Stjerna
Sebiestor Tribe
#38 - 2012-02-26 19:28:21 UTC
Vallek Arkonnis wrote:

What needs preemptive offense is your unbridled hedonism and material aid to terrorists. Fix the moral bankruptcy in your own Federation before casting stones at the Empire.


Moral bankruptcy?

That's a laugh. You use poison to ensure loyalty. You invade and enslave anyone who doesn't agree with you.

You have no claim on the moral high ground, Arkonnis.

I can't get rid of my darn signature!  Oh, wait....

Astera Zandraki
Out of Focus
Odin's Call
#39 - 2012-02-27 11:26:21 UTC
Huh, I was warned about people like you, Theobar, you're like the bad guy in a holo I saw a while back, hell you even look like him.
Theobar Cresthill
The Arzad Hamri Fellowship
#40 - 2012-02-27 14:18:29 UTC
Astera Zandraki wrote:
Huh, I was warned about people like you, Theobar, you're like the bad guy in a holo I saw a while back, hell you even look like him.


One of the hallmark dividing lines between Amarr culture and the devolving civilization of Gallente is illustrated by the quote above. Amarr derives value from Scripture, obedience to God, serving humanity, seeking to redeem all, self-denial and unselfishness.

Gallentean culture, if you can call it culture, derives its values from holo-vids. Its self-indulgence, hedonism, careless views of personal liberty, godlessness, etc., are the characteristics of an entertainment based society. Gallente will eventually rot at its own roots from its own moral decay.

Astera forms her opinions of good and bad from watching holo-vids. Hmm...

"The fire in our hearts burns for salvation, redemption, and grace. May the Word of God grant you the courage to save yourself and your people" (The Last Words of Arzad Hamri)