Missions & Complexes

Hi guys, I spent a lot of time getting my two accounts able to run L4's, and I am very disappointed that I have such difficulty running L4's. With the two accounts focusing fire on the same targets, neither of them can take the damage that is dealt to them.

I tried to have one ship more tanky than the other, but then the aggro would still end up attacking the support ship and force me to retreat. If I ever do beat an L4, I've had to retreat over and over and over in order to weather it out.

I have two accounts flying a Rokh and Maelstrom. The Rokh currently has:

Rokh
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Shield Tank, 68.4k EHP, with 341 DPS

x8 Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I
x2 Large Shield Extender II
x4 slots for T2 Shield hardeners / Invuln Field II's
x3 Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
x1 Tracking Enhancer II

x1 Large Hybrid Ambit Extension
x1 Large Capacitor Control Circuit I


Maelstrom
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Shield Tank, EHP 18.6k with 111 DPS

x7 1400mm Prototype Siege Cannon
x1 X-Large C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I
x3 slots for T2 Shield Hardeners
x2 Optical Tracking Computer I's with either script
x2 Basic Signal Amplifier
x1 Fourier Transform Tracking Program
x2 Counterbalanced Weapon Mounts I

x3 Large Capacitor Control Circuit I



So the Rokh is definitely more effective than the Rokh, but even still, it can barely survive. I just don't know what to do. I mean, I could have one of them transfer cap or shields to the other, but then when the support ship takes aggro, it will force me to retreat. What the hell do I do? =((((((((((

http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/57800-Cap-Stable-Mission-Rokh.html

Did I miss something or is your Rokh running without a shield booster?

[Maelstrom, AC Maelstrom: L4 Baby Varg: Dominion Ready.]
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer

Tracking Computer II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Explosion Dampening Field II
Heavy Capacitor Booster II
X-Large Shield Booster II

800mm Repeating Artillery II
800mm Repeating Artillery II
800mm Repeating Artillery II
800mm Repeating Artillery II
800mm Repeating Artillery II
800mm Repeating Artillery II
800mm Repeating Artillery II
800mm Repeating Artillery II

Large Core Defence Capacitor Safeguard I
Large Core Defence Capacitor Safeguard I
Large Projectile Burst Aerator II


Berserker II
Valkyrie II


if you dont have t2 guns use

[Maelstrom, Arty Complement]

1200mm Heavy 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L
1200mm Heavy 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L
1200mm Heavy 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L
1200mm Heavy 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L
1200mm Heavy 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L
1200mm Heavy 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L
1200mm Heavy 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L
1200mm Heavy 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L

100MN Afterburner II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Explosion Dampening Field II
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
X-Large Shield Booster II

Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer

Large Projectile Burst Aerator II
Large Core Defence Capacitor Safeguard I
Large Core Defence Capacitor Safeguard I


as seen here

used that one myself, and still do from time to time as a spare ship over in minmatar space. it works a charm.

Yeah, the mael is very weak dps wise. Probably skills.

Not really relevant considering what the OP has available.

Just my 2 cents but without a solid tank (missions specific hardeners) and solid tank skills you are going to find it almost impossible to run 4's in a BS. They just take to much damage. With low skills I started running 4's solo in a passive tank cynabal. It's fast with a low sig so bs guns won't hit you and torps only hit for about 10-20. So since you can fly a maelstrom all you would need is the gallante cruiser skills to fly it so it wont take you long to get it and is just a little more expensive than the maelstrom.

So you could use your cynabal to get agro then warp your rokh in for dps support and maybe a shield transponder on the rokh for cruiser heavy missions that are tougher to tank in a cruiser. Just make sure you take out all webber frigs first and do not get into web range in your cynabal or you will be in trouble once bs guns start hitting you. This fit is what I used to solo 4's in with about 2.5mil sp and 325dps. For elite cruiser heavy missions you can switch a couple power relays in your lows for more tank (or just use a transponder on your rokh) but for most missions you will find without the bs's hitting you, you will not take much damage at all since frigs and cruisers will get thinned out pretty quick.


[Cynabal, Cynabal fit]

425mm Medium 'Scout' Autocannon I, Republic Fleet Fusion M
425mm Medium 'Scout' Autocannon I, Republic Fleet Fusion M
425mm Medium 'Scout' Autocannon I, Republic Fleet Fusion M
425mm Medium 'Scout' Autocannon I, Republic Fleet Fusion M


Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Non-Inertial Ballistic Screen Augmentation I
F-S15 Braced Deflection Shield Matrix
10MN Afterburner II

Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I

I'm kind of a noob at mission running but I have a bit of experience in wormholes and plexes so based on that, take this for what it's worth.

It could be skills and like I said I'm a mission noob but what I did is set up my ship to use 4x resists (2 for primary, 2 for secondary damage types) plus a decent set of armor reppers and various stuff to kill frigs that get to close and repair sentry drones if they're taking aggro. It tanks anywhere from 700-1000 dps against specific rat types and delivers about 500dps on attack. It's cap friendly and if you remember to put on the right armor hardeners for the particular mission then you can just plunk it down in the middle of the mission and go to sleep. It's a wall. This is kind of what you need to be shooting for, tbh.

What it doesn't do well is move around. Earlier today I had a corp mate helping me in a well built Zealot and we were impressed with that combination. As long as it didn't get webbed the Zealot held up fine even with up to 9 BS's shooting it and it was able to zip around and do things that the Domi doesn't do well like loot certain cans. It saved time and we were rolling through them a mile a minute.

Here's the fitting for the Domi if you're interested in using it for some kind of template.

[Dominix Navy Issue, Tinu]

Core A-Type Large Armor Repairer
Armor EM Hardener II
Armor EM Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Large Armor Repairer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed

425mm Railgun II, Spike L
425mm Railgun II, Javelin L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Drone Link Augmentor I
True Sansha Large EMP Smartbomb
Medium Remote Armor Repair System II

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I

Warden II x5
Acolyte II x5
Infiltrator II x5
Wasp II x5

Cap skills of this character are all level 5. It's just pure laziness so I can run the armor reppers and the remote repper/smart bomb for as along as necessary.

You're right to point out that I could squeeze more dps out it. Maybe I should put some time into that to see how much difference it really makes. I'm happy to take that bit of advice.



I don't mix ammo types when I use it. I put these ammo types in the fitting tool to see what the ranges were.



That smart bomb is brilliant. You have no idea how many NPC frigs and cruisers have died to that without actually having to target or shoot at them. very efficient. You need the faction one though because CCP were clever enough that the T2 one usually doesn't reach



Again this is a case of being lazy. Instead of micro-managing aggro against sentry drones I just use the armor repper to keep them going so i'm not always having to pick them up and re-deploy them. It's a choice. I know there are other ways of doing it but I hate micromanaging things and to be perfectly honest these missions aren't that difficult so micromanaging isn't necessary either.



These drones are just what I put in the fitting tool to get a rough idea of dps. In reality you would use drones specific to the damage type you need to kill whatever you're shooting.

Thanks for your comment though. I will take a look to see how much more dps I can squeeze out of it without too much micro-management.

That said, if you don't mind, post your fitting. I'm curious what you have.

T-

That's very true. but you couldn't plunk yours down in the middle of a sanctum and pretty much afk kill it in the background. That's what the domi I posted was initially intended to do and that's what I meant by not having to micro-manage. Turns out the same fit tanks missions just fine too although I suspect yours does more dps.

I did learn something just now though, which is that there is such a thing as a "Large Sentry Drone Damage Augmentor"

I think i'll put your idea into the fitting tool and play around with it a bit. I appreciate you sharing it and it's certainly given me an idea or two.

T-

Don't try to passive tank battleships for PvE, unless you've got logi support. It hasn't worked since Dominion.

Active shield tank them.