Market Discussions

There's an idea. Remove 'Min Volume' from the market, that will prevent people from doing contract/market scams where for example: they sell 10 items for 100mil, in a station, and at the same station they will buy minimum 10 for higher price like 200mil - but they would cancel Buy order as soon as somebody buys. There's also a contract usually with similiar amount of items to buy for 600mil.

If there was no Min Volume, they would loose the opportunity to sell a lot, and would allow others to legitimately sell their stuff.
If there's a need for Min Volume, then there's always a contract system in place, and min volume could be there in place.

What's your opinion on that ?

LOL, go to The Forge, and check for yourself. - Jita being the absolute nightmare. What's marginal there is called legit sale.

Well, since no one with half a brain will ever be margin scammed, i dont really see the need for changing anything. if stuff gets changed, the scammers will find new ways to get isk from the stupid and the greedy.
simple as that.


oh, almost forgot: HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

The most important part of EVE, from my point of view, is freedom.

That includes the freedom to be stupid.

There's more to EvE than Jita 4-4. You need to get out more often.

So because people with half a brain are so stupid to fall for this scam we should punish people who for example set up regional orders with a minimum volume added?

Sure makes sense ...... jEEZ talk about being a selfish ****



I

I like this......there should be a penalty for this......too bad CCP cannot have a "negative balance" to only 1 corp at a time.

This means that if you margin scam in Jita 4-4 you would owe a debt to the Caldari Navy corp. I.E. you have to pay them the penalty for a failed margin order to be able to place any new orders in any Caldari Navy corp station. Nothing else would be effected.

The vast majority of EVE players do go into every PvP fight without understanding how their ship based skills work.

Some people can't be helped, some people aren't worth helping, the rest help themselves.

I'b surprised that most people are pro margin scamming. Since when did open sand box mean the right to exploit every broken game mechanic?

The problem with a properly set up margin scamming is that it can be tricky to spot if the does not put a minimum buy order. This does bring more risk to the scammer however so most do put a minimum buy order. This minimum buy order maks the scam riskless, outside of losing escrow fees, and basically guarantees that the scammer will make a good deal of isk. Guaranteed profit for no risk. Seems like risk vs reward is broken to me which is something that I constantly hear people harping on.

You fail at the Eve market. Since the logistics of having to handle each individual sale are taken off your hands, there is no reason to sell for less. Sell it all in 1,000 transactions or 1 it takes the same effort and you get the same profit.

On negative balances, that's a bad idea too. That's opening a door to print isk. Say I create your typical margin trading scam alt and have him post a buy order worth 100s of billions. I fulfill that order, CCP has to create isk to pay me and my alt gets hit with billions in negative balance. Biomass alt and repeat.

Bottom line is the margin trading system works. Where you're getting scammed is they're using the margin buy order to entice people into overpaying for a junk item. A little bit of market research would point out that something fishy is going on.