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Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#41 - 2012-02-24 20:02:50 UTC
Ioci wrote:
There is no easy answer to this.


Sure there is but CCP doesn't have the will to do it. Supercarriers and Titans should be removed from the game because they are impossible to balance. Dreads and Carriers are easy to balance and can serve as "end-game" ships for people who feel the need to fly bigger ships.

They would lose a couple hundred players but it would be less painful in the long run for the health of the future of the game.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Kern Walzky
Zebra Corp
Goonswarm Federation
#42 - 2012-02-24 20:24:07 UTC
Well if we look past goons spam and troll i think you CCP need to look into your style of "nerf" and look more at big picture.

Making ships useless and not needed is not the way to go, we tried this with Supercarriers and now again with Titan's...

time, skills, isk and risk for making a super capital alone should really make you CCP think about what effect this yet another nerf will have on EVE and in total blobs of drakes... hope you guys are proud... enough drakes and you can do anything...

no need for any capitals or supercapitals anywhere.... hope this is a proud momemt for you CCP.

and now for more Goon troll and spam. :)
Razzor Death
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2012-02-24 20:27:44 UTC
Kern Walzky wrote:
Well if we look past goons spam and troll i think you CCP need to look into your style of "nerf" and look more at big picture.

Making ships useless and not needed is not the way to go, we tried this with Supercarriers and now again with Titan's...

time, skills, isk and risk for making a super capital alone should really make you CCP think about what effect this yet another nerf will have on EVE and in total blobs of drakes... hope you guys are proud... enough drakes and you can do anything...

no need for any capitals or supercapitals anywhere.... hope this is a proud momemt for you CCP.

and now for more Goon troll and spam. :)


bawwww you mean you cant drop 40 avatars on a 200 man TEST fleet bawwwwww poor babbi
Kern Walzky
Zebra Corp
Goonswarm Federation
#44 - 2012-02-24 20:32:44 UTC
Razzor Death wrote:
Kern Walzky wrote:
Well if we look past goons spam and troll i think you CCP need to look into your style of "nerf" and look more at big picture.

Making ships useless and not needed is not the way to go, we tried this with Supercarriers and now again with Titan's...

time, skills, isk and risk for making a super capital alone should really make you CCP think about what effect this yet another nerf will have on EVE and in total blobs of drakes... hope you guys are proud... enough drakes and you can do anything...

no need for any capitals or supercapitals anywhere.... hope this is a proud momemt for you CCP.

and now for more Goon troll and spam. :)


bawwww you mean you cant drop 40 avatars on a 200 man TEST fleet bawwwwww poor babbi


No, but 100 subs and 20-40 titans & supercarriers vs 200-300 of your drakes...... start coming in other then mwd shield extended drakes m8t, big as houses :)
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#45 - 2012-02-24 20:36:07 UTC
Kern Walzky wrote:
Well if we look past goons spam and troll i think you CCP need to look into your style of "nerf" and look more at big picture.

Making ships useless and not needed is not the way to go, we tried this with Supercarriers and now again with Titan's...

time, skills, isk and risk for making a super capital alone should really make you CCP think about what effect this yet another nerf will have on EVE and in total blobs of drakes... hope you guys are proud... enough drakes and you can do anything...

no need for any capitals or supercapitals anywhere.... hope this is a proud momemt for you CCP.

and now for more Goon troll and spam. :)


You dont want to make ships useless yet you defend a ship that makes everything else useless?
Kern Walzky
Zebra Corp
Goonswarm Federation
#46 - 2012-02-24 20:47:53 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Kern Walzky wrote:
Well if we look past goons spam and troll i think you CCP need to look into your style of "nerf" and look more at big picture.

Making ships useless and not needed is not the way to go, we tried this with Supercarriers and now again with Titan's...

time, skills, isk and risk for making a super capital alone should really make you CCP think about what effect this yet another nerf will have on EVE and in total blobs of drakes... hope you guys are proud... enough drakes and you can do anything...

no need for any capitals or supercapitals anywhere.... hope this is a proud momemt for you CCP.

and now for more Goon troll and spam. :)


You dont want to make ships useless yet you defend a ship that makes everything else useless?


if you think you can win eve in drakes your mistaken... you should counter with titans/supercarriers/dreads and then bring drakes aswell... i cant belive you think sub-capitals should always win nomatter what..
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#47 - 2012-02-24 20:59:21 UTC
Kern Walzky wrote:


if you think you can win eve in drakes your mistaken... you should counter with titans/supercarriers/dreads and then bring drakes aswell... i cant belive you think sub-capitals should always win nomatter what..


Welcome to supercaps online, if you cannot fly one then you are useless and will just die.

Sounds like a fun game.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#48 - 2012-02-24 21:07:37 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
They would lose a couple hundred players but it would be less painful in the long run for the health of the future of the game.

THey might lose BoB, and having an ~elite pvp~ contingent is vital to the health of any internet spaceships game.

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Kern Walzky
Zebra Corp
Goonswarm Federation
#49 - 2012-02-24 21:13:30 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Kern Walzky wrote:


if you think you can win eve in drakes your mistaken... you should counter with titans/supercarriers/dreads and then bring drakes aswell... i cant belive you think sub-capitals should always win nomatter what..


Welcome to supercaps online, if you cannot fly one then you are useless and will just die.

Sounds like a fun game.


Get your dread m8t capitals is the counter m8t.

i truely hope you have a dream in flying bigger more expensive in the future... you do know if drakes win they are next in ccp's nerf. :)

so i want CCP to look into not making ships useless, but look at the bigger picture.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#50 - 2012-02-24 21:24:32 UTC
Kern Walzky wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Kern Walzky wrote:


if you think you can win eve in drakes your mistaken... you should counter with titans/supercarriers/dreads and then bring drakes aswell... i cant belive you think sub-capitals should always win nomatter what..


Welcome to supercaps online, if you cannot fly one then you are useless and will just die.

Sounds like a fun game.


Get your dread m8t capitals is the counter m8t.

i truely hope you have a dream in flying bigger more expensive in the future... you do know if drakes win they are next in ccp's nerf. :)

so i want CCP to look into not making ships useless, but look at the bigger picture.


I am. Have you noticed the lack of new alliances in 0.0? And I dont mean one of the old ones under a new name I mean like Test when they were new.

People cannot make any inroads into 0.0 in the current situation because fights are unwinnable. There are no tactics or fleet comps to counter titans for them. The smaller 0.0 alliances are also suffering because again, no counter available for them. The only power in all of EVE that could field enough dreads to make the difference is the CFC and even then the few hundred dreads would not be expected to survive the fight.

We are lucky in that we can come up with a counter, be it dreadswarm or just building more titans but for the vast bulk of EVE, they're ******.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#51 - 2012-02-24 21:31:10 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
The smaller 0.0 alliances are also suffering because again, no counter available for them. The only power in all of EVE that could field enough dreads to make the difference is the CFC and even then the few hundred dreads would not be expected to survive the fight.

We are lucky in that we can come up with a counter, be it dreadswarm or just building more titans but for the vast bulk of EVE, they're ******.

Yeah, getting 100 or so dreads who are happy to die in their 2bil+ ship is..

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#52 - 2012-02-24 21:34:42 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:

Yeah, getting 100 or so dreads who are happy to die in their 2bil+ ship is..


I'm sure we could talk test into itBlink
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#53 - 2012-02-24 21:41:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
baltec1 wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:

Yeah, getting 100 or so dreads who are happy to die in their 2bil+ ship is..

I'm sure we could talk test into itBlink

I'd give them major "props" if they were indeed to hotdrop 100 dreads into a Raiden. titan blob

I'd also hope the rest of the CFC wouldn't be easily outdone like that.

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Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#54 - 2012-02-24 21:42:44 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:

Yeah, getting 100 or so dreads who are happy to die in their 2bil+ ship is..


I'm sure we could talk test into itBlink


I was told someone was giving out cake in here.

Is tha- oh, is that for me? Only 2b! OKAY!
Grey Azorria
Federation Industries
#55 - 2012-02-24 21:46:41 UTC
The Economist wrote:
Grey Azorria wrote:

Really? So when a lone Titan was popping a fleet of BCs all orbiting at the maximum transversal allowed by their guns (AB not MWD), what exactly would your advice be ('run away' doesn't count).


My advice would be stop exaggerating.

If, IF; that really was the case then those must've been shield bc's with sigs almost the size of battleships and pilots that massively suck at manageing their range and transversal and/or huginns grabbing them too. In which scenario nothing in any way broken happened.

[constructive advice; outrange them/pick setups with smaller sigs/ get better at manageing transversal/use neutralizers/increase speed/use capitals against capitals etc etc etc etc etc]

Not exaggerating, no huggins either (possibly sucky pilots though Big smile); It was an RvB teir3 BC roam, most of us were in 'nados or oracles, and we chanced upon a lone Titan that we think had had just bridged a fleet somewhere else. Since we were in it for the lols (and the FC just wanted to be able to say 'Primary is Erebus') we engaged, hictors got points, and we all started orbiting, expecting it to either be brick tanked or for us to be on the wrong end of one helluva hotdrop, neither happened, instead the titan started dropping like a stone, we got it down to 1/3 armour in around 10-15 mins, unfortunatly by that time we had lost all but one hictor and most of our ships. Then the slightly disapointing hotdrop appeared (one Avatar, 3 MOMs and 7 carriers) to finish us off.

Anyway, we assumed the thing pretty much only had officer tracking mods on it (judging by how fast its tank melted), and had a laugh with the pilots in local about how we caught them with their pants down.

Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

Sometimes when I post, I look at my sig and wish that I'd follow my own god damned advice.
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#56 - 2012-02-24 21:52:48 UTC
Grey Azorria wrote:

Not exaggerating, no huggins either (possibly sucky pilots though Big smile); It was an RvB teir3 BC roam, most of us were in 'nados or oracles, and we chanced upon a lone Titan that we think had had just bridged a fleet somewhere else. Since we were in it for the lols (and the FC just wanted to be able to say 'Primary is Erebus') we engaged, hictors got points, and we all started orbiting, expecting it to either be brick tanked or for us to be on the wrong end of one helluva hotdrop, neither happened, instead the titan started dropping like a stone, we got it down to 1/3 armour in around 10-15 mins, unfortunatly by that time we had lost all but one hictor and most of our ships. Then the slightly disapointing hotdrop appeared (one Avatar, 3 MOMs and 7 carriers) to finish us off.

Anyway, we assumed the thing pretty much only had officer tracking mods on it (judging by how fast its tank melted), and had a laugh with the pilots in local about how we caught them with their pants down.


Shhh, you're damaging their narrative of "lol its only goons complaining because they're losing fights, titans are fine!".
Glarealot
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#57 - 2012-02-24 22:09:33 UTC
At this point, Supercaps are the new battleships: http://i.imgur.com/CY6x4.jpg

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Headerman
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#58 - 2012-02-24 22:51:28 UTC
You do realise that for a titan to kill a subcap that ship has to be webbed down a lot, right?

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#59 - 2012-02-24 22:54:38 UTC
Headerman wrote:
You do realise that for a titan to kill a subcap that ship has to be webbed down a lot, right?


Wrong.
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#60 - 2012-02-24 22:55:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Akirei Scytale
Headerman wrote:
You do realise that for a titan to kill a subcap that ship has to be webbed down a lot, right?


So hard to bring a few Huginns, huh? Not that you actually need them. Its broken. I'd tell you ty try to look past your obvious bias but you're headerman, so I won't waste my time.