EVE General Discussion

I'm going to just assume you haven't read any of my other posts on the subject of SOV, then, so I'll reiterate.

The proper solution to the suckfest that is 0.0 warfare right now, is to make it easier to lose and gain a system, so that it's hard, effort-wise, to keep a large expanse of space under your control. If it's done right, both sides in any given war will also be able to have a certain amount of wins during any given day, thus improving morale and making wars actually last longer. Today's system is basically requiring blobs of ever increasing nature to form up and duke it out, if you don't you'll either never make any headway or you'll never defend the system (but the main challenge is on the invader's side).

Fix this design flaw, and this whole problem of "oh god titans" would be less, since it'd be easier to have a multiple system front, and you could potentially outfeint titan-heavy blobs, and smaller entities could actually have a chance in hell of carving out a part of 0.0 for themselves without having to have a bajillion titans/supers/dreads. This would lead to more, smaller, skirmishes, which would lead to less emphasis on a few FCs leading trillions of isk worth of equipment, which would mean that any given side would have more resilience through lighter losses, less risk of main FC burnout, and less morale burnout, which should in turn lead to less 2 weeks of war, 2 months of grind and more tons of small skirmishes. And the people in said fleets would have more of a reason to actually get to know the guys they're flying with, instead of everyone just being some ascii-****-spamming mouthbreathing fat **** trying to out-spam the next fat ****.

The fact that maggots with titans are now whining like utter babbies, however, is a pretty nice addition, I'll admit.

For me...
It looks like CCP has picked side in nullsec warfare...
Nerfing team tec favorite ships...
Bf3 anyone ?

fixed

So many benefits....maybe...just maybe...COS IT'S THE BIGGEST, MOST EXPENSIVE, HIGH END SHIP IN THE GAME ???
You made me puke a little...

Mittani sheep are following him...Be proud to follow a scum...they say ppl act in game as they do in real life...Eve is REAL !

YES. Ask Mitanni. He robbed BoB and now he holds 6.000 sheep ^^

Still curious about this. Anyone care to elaborate?

Says guy who only uses Titans just to rat. Go back to wow noob

Detective Erebus strikes again

You know what annoys me about this whole debate? The complete lack of understanding for game mechanics that the titan nerfers call out.

Currently the most popular doctrin for goons is Maelstroms fitted with 1200mm artillery guns, fit with shield buffers, engaging at a comparative short range. It's pretty much a cookie cutter setup. These fleets are supported by massive amounts of drakes, also fit with shield buffers, both supported by an insane amount of scimitars and random recons and command ships for bonuses. Scorpions are generally thrown in to provide some EWAR support. Bombers have also been introduced in the last few weeks.

So you have battleships with a large sig, fitting shield extenders (increasing their sig even further), using long-range guns but engaging at short range (because it makes no difference and it's much more versatile due to webbing/painting huginns and alpha). You have them supported by battlecruisers (fairly big in size), also fit with shield extenders that increase their sig used in the hundreds.

How is it unfair that titans, when they sacrifice around 15 million EHP to be able to track (if not more), can hit these battleships? I don't think it's unfair at all. It's lazy on the part of the subcap fleets because they want to be able to follow 2 fleet doctrins and steamroll over everything else.

Let's look at PL and in extention -A- and Gypsy band + SOLAR. They use many different doctrins that are all used to counter other doctrins that the enemies bring. Most -A-/Gypsy use tengus these days for fleets and SOLAR have an AHAC and Maelstrom fleet running. These are strong setups that all complement each other. When PL were stupid enough the other day and lose two supercaps, what happened in this fight? They sat for around an hour while being held down by Tengus, not because they were bubbled, but because they had to stay to not leave anyone behind. -A- and friends managed to kill 2 supercarriers and a carrier while making the PL titans only able to kill a few ships (I'm guessing they were caught at 0 transversal or not moving at all). PL had no support fleet. My point is this: the smart fielding of proper ships basically kept the PL super fleet sitting with thumbs up their asses because they couldn't hit ****. PL could have jumped out at any point in the fight, sure... but they would have risked leaving a super or two behind to get destroyed because... there is always some idiot not jumping.

If you stop resorting to cookie cutter setups that you use in EVERY SINGLE SCENARIO and instead expand your playbook, titans are no longer a problem. Kill the titans' support fleet and you can bring in your own capitals to finish off the supercap fleet. Yes, it will cost you supers as well... that's how the game works.

Titans work well right now because everyone and their mother fits their Maelstroms with shield extenders and decides to go in close range. Crazy idea... try going in at long range and adapting instead of whining about how things aren't working out for you. Titans lose their effectiveness at around 150km and they won't go off field in large lag situations because there is always someone who isn't aligned or isn't jumping and you lose a supercap that way.

-A- are doing it right, they are adapting and learning. Gypsy are doing it right, they are adapting and beating PL in their own game. SOLAR are working because they field fleet combos that work well together and aren't basically the same setup only with missiles on one side and guns on the other. PL are adapting and learning, pushing out new fleet doctrins on a regular basis Goons AREN'T adapting and are screaming murder because of it. Goons are following the same plan they've done for the last year and when people pay 100 billion isk for a ship that can hit their closerange battleships, they scream that it's overpowered. Give me a break...

If you don't want to get tracked by titans, try not fielding battleships fit with shield extenders that increase your sig while going in at short range. Titans are fine with the current state of EVE, a hotfix would only make fleet fights even more unbalanced, it's the whole game that needs a rebalancing and a refocus. Bombers are a good solution to a lot of problems, but they get blapped easily and after the 3rd run, you lose your critical bomb mass to pop fleets with a bomb volley. We need a lot of things to change to fix the problems EVE has, not just a tracking nerf.

Just to point out, armour blackbirds and destroyer hulls are also getting shot out of the sky by titan guns whether they MWD or not. It matters very little what subcap you bring to a titan fight or how you fit it because either the titans will crush you or you are in a frigate and the subcaps will crush you.