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So Space Barbie is back. Great. The bad idea that just won't die.

If you learned nothing else from the Captain's Quarters debacle, I hope you at least learned that these "features" need to be completely optional and off by default.

Read the previous threadnoughts. A large chunk of your userbase does not want WiS. It should be treated just as you treat roleplay elements like Chronicles-- there for those that want them, invisible and irrelevant to those who dont.

Ah okay, I kind of agree with you and i don't think we will see any think good/interesting released for WIS for a very long time if at all. I think this team avatar is mostly a token gesture to attempt to satisfy/quiet the players who want the WIS content we were promised.

Just one question, when can we have those tatoos? It better be very soon!

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I very much like this idea. F2P'ers should also have access to a shuttle passenger service to take them to any high-sec station they wish, as some people will obviously eventually find themselves in the position of being stuck on a backwater station at some point or another... But limit it like jump clones, with a 24 hour timer and distance limitations.

I feel incredibly dirty for what is about to follow.. but it has a point..





Avatars really do need to be de-coupled from that store to be something players want again. However the problem with WiS is that once one place becomes popular, it becomes the only place to be. This is why club goon could never work (as much as I'd like to relieve you all of that terrible isk burden). Can you imagine 4-4 in a WiS environment? It will never work (though I'd love to see me proven wrong there) because of the limiting factors of trying to cram 1500 avatars into one small area. Even if establishments in WiS were never intended to be places of trade, thats what would end up happening anyway.

Jita (and trade itself) really has to be de-centralised before WiS could ever evolve beyond a "come back to my place and i can show you my blankety blank" scenario. From a trade point of view, I can only ever see this working if stuff was instantly delivered to the station you're in, regard less of where its being sold at. To keep haulers in the business, not all stations in a region should be linked.. but there should be a network. Corp, faction, sov based etc. Gankers.. well you're prob gonna have to move about a bit more.

I can only see the whole WiS establishment working if the 'establishment' itself was disperse. Dock at any station (or one with a link into this network..sov, faction etc), and then log into this virtual environment channel . This sounds awfully like IRC , except you'll have the avatars of others around you at the local station, rather then all 1500 in the 'channel'. Why does the avatar you're playing the gambling game at, actually have to be there with you? Give it a hologram representation (which is local to the person and way friendlier on resources) and the overall effect is the same.

Decentralizing trade can be done without breaking EVE game mechanics. The process is very simple. Step one is to get rid of the highway stargates. Step two is to introduce some low-sec between empires. That's it.

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Make it possible to customize the captains quarters, on a station by station basis.
The customizable parts would be built by players
The parts and items would be traded on the open market for isk.
Make all of these items in the quarters at least have a show info button.
So I could buy a 'Fancy Sofa' to put in my quarters in Rens Moon 8. I could buy or sell it and could take it with me to another station.
Or I could stay in my pod/ship and profit from building/trading said items.
Or I could gank those transporting items between stations.

Advantages:
No need to add other avatars.
People who want to WiS will have something more to do.
People who want to ignore it (ie those only interested in FiS) can. However, they gain by being able to build/trade/haul/gank the parts/items in space.

You could add the possibility to rent different/bigger quarters.

Adding the ability for avatars to share rooms...

Allow corps to build/rent offices. Again using items and parts from the FiS side.
Limit rooms to a certain number of people at a time (based on server load? with some ingame fluff to explain it).
So, maybe start with an option of a small corp boardroom for, say, 5 avatars at a time.
Make it customizable in the same way. Have a shared video screen as is in the captains quarters.

Expand as time and tech allows.

It's relatively small/quick to achieve.
It's ignorable by those who want to.
It adds gameplay to both FiS and WiS by use of player buildable items.

How would a spaceship arena (ignoring whether it's a good idea in itself) be a feature of walking around as an avatar?

You're reading too much in to the ideas which were just thrown out there to make a wider point. The point that I'm trying to make is that in order to develop gameplay that will attract people to WiS, that gameplay has to be exclusive to WiS. It has to give you a reason to get out of your capsule and go down in to the station otherwise people will simply be lazy and engage in it from their hanger. It's overwhelmingly agreed that CQ was a failure because the only real content for a veteran was the PI interface and insufficient people engage in PI to have a reason to enter CQ and those that do can just as easily (and more quickly) do it from their hanger.

The same applies to establishments because they in and of themselves have an insufficient content to interest the majority. Not everyone wants or needs to use boosters so again that caters to a very limited audience. However, if there is content that appeals to a certain audience which requires them to leave their pod, and if that content is part of a wider gameplay element that has further content, they may well then engage in gameplay elements that did not initially attract them. Retailers have always known this. One of the most important thing to a retailer is footfall because the more people who come in the store, the higher the chance they'll buy more than one thing.

If have to get out of my pod to find a medical facility to jump clone (I'm just using this as an example), on the way I may meet an old friend and get talking to him and I notice he's wearing a cool jacket. We catch up and we end up arranging for our respective corps to meet up and go on a roam. We say our goodbyes and as I walk along the promenade I see that cool jacket for sale in a player-owned establishment so I go buy it for myself. I walk out the establishment and there is a bar across the way selling boosters so I may have a wander over and purchase some before carrying on down the promenade to reach the medical bay. That person I bought it off then may go out and spend the profits on a new ship I'm selling. All I wanted was to clone jump but I ended up meeting an old friend, making a new ally, buying a new jacket and boosters. We've also impacted the FiS content because through that gameplay, that roam may go out and engage in a fight where 30 ships are lost. Those pilots will then need to replace them and through both sides of the gameplay, we've contributed to the player-driven economy

The reason to get out of the pod can be anything you like, and once the initial framework is there you can iterate more gameplay elements on top of it but the point is that WiS can only be successful if the gameplay content, whatever that content may be, appeals to the widest possible audience. Sometimes giant leaps are better than baby steps and I believe the only way to make a successful WiS is for CCP to be brave and make a giant leap.