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Enyo left out?
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Gibbo3771
AQUILA INC
#1 - 2012-02-22 17:39:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Gibbo3771
So whats the deal with the enyo? It seems to still be missing its 4th bonus.

Harpy:

Caldari Frigate Skill Bonus:
10% bonus to Small Hybrid Turret Optimal range per level
5% bonus to Shield Resistances per level

Assault Ships Skill Bonus:
10% bonus to Small Hybrid Turret Optimal Range per level
5% bonus to Small Hybrid Turret Damage per level

Role bonus: 50% reduction in MicroWarpdrive signature radius penalty

Hawk:

Caldari Frigate Skill Bonus:
10% bonus to Missile Kinetic Damage per level
-5% bonus to Missile Launcher Rate of Fire per level

Assault Ships Skill Bonus:
10% bonus to Missile Velocity per level
7.5% bonus to Shield Boost Amount per level

Role bonus: 50% reduction in MicroWarpdrive signature radius penalty

Retri:

Amarr Frigate Skill Bonus:
10% bonus to Small Energy Turret Cap Use per level
7.5% bonus to Small Energy Turret tracking speed per level

Assault Ships Skill Bonus:
10% bonus to Small Energy Turret Optimal Range per level
5% bonus to Small Energy Turret Damage per level

Role bonus: 50% reduction in MicroWarpdrive signature radius penalty

Veng:

Amarr Frigate Skill Bonus:
5% bonus to Rocket Damage per level
-5% bonus to Missile Launcher Rate of Fire per level

Assault Ships Skill Bonus:
5% bonus to Armor Resistances per level
5% bonus to Capacitor Recharge Rate per level

Role bonus: 50% reduction in MicroWarpdrive signature radius penalty

Wolf:

Minmatar Frigate Skill Bonus:
5% bonus to Small Projectile Turret Damage per level
7.5% bonus to Small Projectile Turret Tracking per level

Assault Ships Skill Bonus:
10% bonus to Small Projectile Turret Falloff per level
5% bonus to Small Projectile Damage per level

Role bonus: 50% reduction in MicroWarpdrive signature radius penalty

Jag:

Minmatar Frigate Skill Bonus:
5% bonus to Small Projectile Turret Damage per level
7.5% bonus to Small Projectile Turret Tracking per level

Assault Ships Skill Bonus:
10% bonus to Small Projectile Turret Optimal Range per level
5% bonus to Small Projectile Damage per level

Role bonus: 50% reduction in MicroWarpdrive signature radius penalty

Ishkur:

Gallente Frigate Skill Bonus:
5% bonus to Small Hybrid Turret damage
10% bonus to drone hitpoints per level

Assault Ships Skill Bonus:
10% bonus to Small Hybrid Turret Optimal Range per level
5m3 Drone Bay Capacity per level

Role bonus: 50% reduction in MicroWarpdrive signature radius penalty


As you can see they all have 4 main bonus' link to skills plus a "role" bonus.

Where is the enyo's 4th main bonus?

Gallente Frigate Skill Bonus:
10% bonus to Small Hybrid Turret Damage per level

Assault Ships Skill Bonus:
10% bonus to Small Hybrid Turret Optimal Range per level
7.5% bonus to Small Hybrid Turret Tracking Speed per level

Role bonus: 50% reduction in MicroWarpdrive signature radius penalty

This makes me sad that the Enyo is still a little left out, I do not see the problem with another optimal range bonus or something, this makes it basically a armor harpy for people who dont have shield skills.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#2 - 2012-02-22 17:48:40 UTC
It's a double damage bonus.

Quote:
New bonus: +5% damage changed to 10% bonus to damage


Seems fine to me.
Gibbo3771
AQUILA INC
#3 - 2012-02-22 17:58:18 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
It's a double damage bonus.

Quote:
New bonus: +5% damage changed to 10% bonus to damage


Seems fine to me.


They shoulda moved the optimal range bonus to Frigate skill and kept the 5% there and then add another 5% onto Assault frigate.

But now that I know that yeah thts fine, still "looks" out of line tho
MisterNick
The Sagan Clan
#4 - 2012-02-22 18:02:14 UTC
Not only is it a double damage bonus, but it's on the racial frig skill which has to be at 5 just to fly the ship - so you are guaranteed the full bonus. Not too shabby if you ask me Smile

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Gibbo3771
AQUILA INC
#5 - 2012-02-22 18:10:54 UTC
MisterNick wrote:
Not only is it a double damage bonus, but it's on the racial frig skill which has to be at 5 just to fly the ship - so you are guaranteed the full bonus. Not too shabby if you ask me Smile


Another reason why it should be move 0_0, so its inline :D
Nikuno
Atomic Heroes
#6 - 2012-02-22 18:13:46 UTC
Please correct me if i'm wrong, but a single 10% bonus is worth less than 2 5% bonuses?

100dps with current bonus is 100*1.5=150dps

100 with 2 separate bonuses is 100*1.25*1.25=156.25 dps

Please separate these bonuses, they are not behaving as they do for every other ship in this class.
Jerick Ludhowe
Internet Tuff Guys
#7 - 2012-02-22 18:15:48 UTC
Gibbo3771 wrote:
Zhilia Mann wrote:
It's a double damage bonus.

Quote:
New bonus: +5% damage changed to 10% bonus to damage


Seems fine to me.


They shoulda moved the optimal range bonus to Frigate skill and kept the 5% there and then add another 5% onto Assault frigate.

But now that I know that yeah thts fine, still "looks" out of line tho


100% agree with this. Currently when you step into an enyo with af lvl 1 you're gaining the entire 50% dmg bonus. It most certainly should be broken up between Gal frig and AF skill.
MisterNick
The Sagan Clan
#8 - 2012-02-22 18:33:31 UTC
Nikuno wrote:
Please correct me if i'm wrong, but a single 10% bonus is worth less than 2 5% bonuses?

100dps with current bonus is 100*1.5=150dps

100 with 2 separate bonuses is 100*1.25*1.25=156.25 dps

Please separate these bonuses, they are not behaving as they do for every other ship in this class.


I thought the bonuses were cumulative, so in your example:

The first level (Gallente Frigate 1 in this case) gives you 110% of whatever your base would be, so 110 in your example. Then the 2nd level gives you an extra 10% of that 110, so 121. And so on until the full level 5 gives you 161

I may be wrong on that of course.

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Cyniac
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-02-22 19:17:34 UTC
MisterNick wrote:
Nikuno wrote:
Please correct me if i'm wrong, but a single 10% bonus is worth less than 2 5% bonuses?

100dps with current bonus is 100*1.5=150dps

100 with 2 separate bonuses is 100*1.25*1.25=156.25 dps

Please separate these bonuses, they are not behaving as they do for every other ship in this class.


I thought the bonuses were cumulative, so in your example:

The first level (Gallente Frigate 1 in this case) gives you 110% of whatever your base would be, so 110 in your example. Then the 2nd level gives you an extra 10% of that 110, so 121. And so on until the full level 5 gives you 161

I may be wrong on that of course.


Yes and no.

Bonuses are cumulative, but a bonus from a single skill counts as a single bonus (not separate bonuses per level, which if you thing about it would be pretty awful for those situations that are subject to stacking penalties) - thus for the Enyo you'd have a flat 50% damage bonus for just sitting in the thing.
MisterNick
The Sagan Clan
#10 - 2012-02-22 20:31:03 UTC
Cyniac wrote:
MisterNick wrote:
Nikuno wrote:
Please correct me if i'm wrong, but a single 10% bonus is worth less than 2 5% bonuses?

100dps with current bonus is 100*1.5=150dps

100 with 2 separate bonuses is 100*1.25*1.25=156.25 dps

Please separate these bonuses, they are not behaving as they do for every other ship in this class.


I thought the bonuses were cumulative, so in your example:

The first level (Gallente Frigate 1 in this case) gives you 110% of whatever your base would be, so 110 in your example. Then the 2nd level gives you an extra 10% of that 110, so 121. And so on until the full level 5 gives you 161

I may be wrong on that of course.


Yes and no.

Bonuses are cumulative, but a bonus from a single skill counts as a single bonus (not separate bonuses per level, which if you thing about it would be pretty awful for those situations that are subject to stacking penalties) - thus for the Enyo you'd have a flat 50% damage bonus for just sitting in the thing.


Ah yes I suppose ewar bonuses would be especially borked if it worked like that.

Always happy to learn. And still love the newly-buffed enyo for that 3rd midslot Cool

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Wacktopia
Fleet-Up.com
Keep It Simple Software Group
#11 - 2012-02-24 11:07:38 UTC
I think the bottom line is that fitted up the Enyo is a great ship now in comparison with other AFs and this is all that really matters imho.

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