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CCP turns a blind eye to bot ratting
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Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
#1 - 2012-02-23 21:30:07 UTC
To CCP :

Why don't you visit obvious bot ratting systems in 0.0

It's completely evident with just a few clicks on DOTlLAN which systems are being used for bot ratting.

For players it's completely obvious. For CCP is MUST be completely obvious... yet CCP allows it to go on and on and on.

I think some accountability is in order here.... why does CCP turn a blind eye to the obvious? Why are these bots and their owners allowed to carry on without any consequences?

CCP pretends to put on the big shoes when it comes to botting but when push comes to shove, they do absolutely nothing about it.

Use data mining. Visit obvious botting systems and and ban botters. I know that banning players means that CCP makes less money and I'm not insensitive to that... but bottters are the reason that 0.0 is filling up with super caps and they need to be stopped.

Persaonlly, I don't even give a rat's patoot if you stop the botters... just take away the isk/minerals and that will be enough.

Wake up

Do what you said you would do

Please!

T-
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#2 - 2012-02-23 21:41:10 UTC
The problem is its a lot harder to catch bots than you make out, especially without getting false positives. As a company you have to be very damn certain before banning someone or confiscating items, that certainty means human verification, monitoring and a rigorous check list for staff to work through before they can do anything.

Not that I don't agree CCP could probably do more about it, just that its not as "obvious" as you claim. Partly because of resources and partly because you making a mistake and thinking a human is a bot is funny, CCP doing it would turn into a boohoo forum scandal.

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Tinu Moorhsum
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#3 - 2012-02-23 21:54:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Tinu Moorhsum
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/33RB-O

Just one example of the many. Every rat that spawned in that system was killed 24/7 ... all day.... every day. The only dips are at down-time.

Also, the number of jumps in and out of the system per day is about... 4.....

Do you know any REAL person who rats like that?

At the very least don't you think it's worth a visit?

CCP apparently do not... because it's been allowed to go on for years. Someone is making 250 mil isk per hour 24 hours a day (yeah... that's 6 billion isk per day not including expensive drops) wtih botting and CCP doesn't appear to be the least bit curious who it is... because it's been going on day in and day out as long as I can remember and it's obvious that nobody has looked into it.

I'm just wondering ... WHY?

T-
MIrple
Black Sheep Down
Tactical Narcotics Team
#4 - 2012-02-23 22:00:39 UTC
Does that count JB's in and out of system? the number of killed an hour is a bit high for botters IMO. I think a better example are the single ratters you hit in NPC space that safe up as soon as you enter system cloak and log off.
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#5 - 2012-02-23 22:07:40 UTC
Tinu Moorhsum wrote:
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/33RB-O

Just one example of the many. Every rat that spawned in that system was killed 24/7 ... all day.... every day. The only dips are at down-time.

Also, the number of jumps in and out of the system per day is about... 4.....

Do you know any REAL person who rats like that?

At the very least don't you think it's worth a visit?

CCP apparently do not... because it's been allowed to go on for years. Someone is making 250 mil isk per hour 24 hours a day wtih botting and CCP doesn't appear to be the leat bit curious who it is... because it's been going on day in and day out as long as I can remember and it's obvious that nobody has looked into it.

I'm just wondering ... WHY?

T-

Could be a titan ratting pocket, or just a regular upgraded system full of goons with a JB. Number of rats killed is about the same as some of our ratting systems, and I know they're not botting.

I'm not saying botting doesn't happen, just that you haven't discovered some secret dark way of identifying botters. Those are pretty normal system stats for a ratting system, botters or not.

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Tinu Moorhsum
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#6 - 2012-02-23 22:21:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Tinu Moorhsum
Simi Kusoni wrote:

I'm not saying botting doesn't happen, just that you haven't discovered some secret dark way of identifying botters. Those are pretty normal system stats for a ratting system, botters or not.


er.... no.

a typical ratting system with similar numbers of rats killed per hour but done by real people looks like this

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/9-8BL8

Notice that even with the whole alliance of ... what is it? ... some 1000 people living 2 jumps away it still doesn't look like a solid block of ratting 24/7 with no interruptions or pauses for things like fleets or whatever.

The point is, even if your alliance *does* clear every spawn 24/7 ... wouldn't ou find it odd if CCP didn't check in to see what you were doing?

T-
Nomistrav
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-02-24 05:37:36 UTC
Tinu Moorhsum wrote:


Just one example of the many. Every rat that spawned in that system was killed 24/7 ... all day.... every day. The only dips are at down-time.

CCP apparently do not... because it's been allowed to go on for years. Someone is making 250 mil isk per hour 24 hours a day --

T-


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joebro1060
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2012-02-24 13:12:04 UTC
I agree. If you claim to be against it, and say you won't tolerate It then at least check up on possible botting. I know there is not unlimited manpower to patrol every possible lead, but start somewhere. Seems to be a system to check in on. But I also agree that there needs to be very substantial evidence before seizing assets or banning. Login times and bounty collection times would be a good place to start collecting evidence. Also, how many consecutive days of prolonged operation and such.
Valei Khurelem
#9 - 2012-02-24 13:18:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Valei Khurelem
I went to Blood Raider space and all the rare ore that normally would have been there was instantly mined out and believe me I checked a lot it was hard to believe that that much ore could just disappear so quickly, the locals who were clearly bots always disappeared instantly when I went into their space and the players stayed because they knew I was a noob just trying to make some ISK.

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