Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Hey, guess what I dislike about FW?

Anyway, getting to run roughshod over people who are too bad, poor or or risk-averse to counter whatever you might bring is the essence of 0.0 and makes nullsec interesting as opposed to scrub-tier fights over some wierd sov-lite bullshit that doesn't mean anything. If I wanted to engage in honerable 1v1 for the glory of empire I'd roll a Horde toon and head off to Shadowhelm, wearing my wizard hat and robe.

Neat.

Problem you are going to run into is that removal of the EHP grind also means removal of 'timers' which the xenophobic null residents rely on to get anything done, be it offence or defence. Personally unwilling to subject null, however much disdain I have for them, to the idiocy of current FW plex mechanics .. it is one of the major broken parts that needs addressing.

One of my earlier concepts regarding a shared system twixt FW and Sov was to ****'n'pillage the Incursion system .. make an attack on any one system take place across a constellation.
- Give players the ability to spawn plexes at a rate of their choosing (think SBU becoming a spawn generator instead), it should take 2-3 (roughly same as current Sov system I believe) days to flip any given system so a limit on amount of plexes will naturally be needed.
- Plexes automatically start counting down as it were for the defender so doing a plex-spam without enough bodies to cover it will be counter productive .. defence thus becomes a matter of killing the spawn generator and/or the enemy rather than repping a bazillion EHP when enemy is sleeping .. offensive operations will become harder as one can't simply blob the crap out of an opponent twice in 3 days (encourages multi-tz entities without crapping on xenophobes too much).
- The various sov benefits are dependent on constellation integrity and the top-tier benefits are only available if entire constellation is officially claimed and uncontested (or rather not contested much) .. condenses empires and makes using/patrolling ones space mandatory rather than "Meh, use the batphone when it comes out of reinforced"

Trick (as I see it) is to limit the blob inducing timed EHP grinds while still allowing for the blob as a tool of space superiority all the while encouraging smaller scale engagements, ie. battle of the roams. Blob fights are cool an all, but the idea of lining ones assets up across a field and firing until one side bolts is kind of obsolete .. why do we fly spaceships in clones and fight wars like we had muskets?

As for Goo .. randomized goo will come back and bite you .. hard. Too fast cycling and no one will bother -> price spikes, to slow/small and difference is negligible and thus why do it in the first place.
- Keep some of the moons as they are to act as fight motivators, add ability for enemies/roams to hurt production without having to blob a POS (hacking to steal portions for instance) and/or tie it into sov status .. being able to have a cashcow grazing in what is essentially someone else's backyard is rather silly
- Revamp PI/Alchemy to be even more user friendly (saved setups, less clicky in general etc.) and have 1/3-1/2 of current goo come from alchemy with boost to certain areas (as for moons) as well as from sov upgrades.

Just as EHP grinding should not be forced on FW pilots, FW plexes should not be forced on 0.0.

To me it's clear that the place for small corporations and alliances to hold sov is in [empire, low, wormhole, and npc null sec] where they are protected from supercap blobs by [CONCORD, No Bubbles and restrictions on Titans, mass restrictions, NPC Stations].

Therefore sovereignty (occupancy in low/npc 0.0, jurisdiction if you are in empire) should be opened up everywhere in Eve, but the sovereignty mechanic should be different in the different areas of space.

Sovereignty should give a N % bonus to rat/mission/anomoly/POS production/Moon Mining Efficiency/etc.. to whichever corp/alliance holds sov.

A corp/alliance should be able to choose whether or not they want to participate by checking a box.

Activity based sovereignty makes most sense in areas outside 0.0. Activies should include things people who are there already do. FW plexes in FW areas, Anomolies, Missions, killing rats, mining, whatever people feel is appropriate.

In the end I think you'd find that if people really want to take over a system, they'll secure it first with pvp (kill all the farmers, kill all their protection) and then they'll send in the carebears to farm it (which they will do anyways to make isk). They probably kill all the hostile farmers in your area of operations anyways, so this sort of sov system would lead to a more realistic map.

Example 1: L5 mission systems in low sec are occupied by "pirate corps". They are already permacamped by groups of corporations who feed off them.

Example 2: Activity based occupancy is currently happening in FW. The figure of merit is FW plexes, and the (offensive) occupancy maps reflects reality very well. No occupied system is more than two jumps from a FW corp base of operations.

What would happen if this type of mechanic were applied to sov 0.0? IMO, guerilla warfare in empty systems away from the blob could occur. More realistic borders that reflect the reality of an alliance's influence would result. But that's an IMO. The 0.0 guys would need to work out whatever figure of merit they want to use.

Make sov more like highsec.

Let more than one station be planted per system.
Let station owners hire agents.
Make mission activity with your agents a determiner of how strongly sovereignty is held.

Most of the middle of your post seems to make sense and be interesting, but it seems to me that your first sentence and last paragraph disagree with each other.

Could you lay out more specifically how you think SOV should be gained or awarded in 0.0?

I think BOB and now Goons would disagree with your first paragraph. Once they control the most high value space that is.

Interesting idea in second paragraph.

My ideas currently would only work in rewrite / redesign of SOV not as tweaks. This is all just theory crafting here.

Though if CCP wants to say high and put a blue bar on the post if these ideas come to anything that would be cool.

Bottom line is that I don't have enough experience in 0.0 to say what they would want out of SOV, so I deferred. I'd rather get sov mechanics initiated elsewhere in Eve. My best guess is that some sort of "activity based" sov would work very well in 0.0.

This is what I think would happen:
Home systems - where your side dominates, would easily stay in the hands of your side.
Far off systems that your alliance doesn't regularly patrol or use (afk sov) would fall.
Your alliance would have to make choices on how to defend its space.

It could be that the map stays exactly the same - your alliance may see somebody contesting a system and then rushes its forces out to meet them - squashing all potential competition.

My guess is that the 0.0 guys are worried about is that the "guerillas" would attack their systems when the alliance is mostly offline and not get a fight out of it. That would be the issue to solve (see below).

Again, I'm not in 0.0, but here is my proposal. Hopefully when all you 0.0 guys rip it apart as mostly unfeasible, you will take what you think may be feasible and run with it.

Step 1: Lay the groundwork. Defense of structures should be active, not passive. This has to be balanced with RL.

Make POSes and POCOs "vulnerable" for a certain period of time each day (maybe a few days a week? pick a number). The amount of stront in POS determines how long this vulnerability window lasts. Guys in 0.0 have complained about this proposal because certain entities could roflstomp them with their 1000 man titan fleets, but I think if they space out their timers a bit they could have a chance at mitigating destruction long enough to form a new fleet the next day. They could, for example, space out the timers over a 6 hour period.

A consequence of this is that the ability to run an afk moon goo POS empire would be curtailed a bit. The guys who own these moons will need to be able to react more quickly to an attack.

Step 2: Implement the point system. What kind of sovereignty indicators do 0.0 players want to have?
Stations would count as 10X (pick a multiplier) points (pick a number) / day towards sovereignty
POSes would count as X points / day
POCOs would count X/4 (pick a number) / day towards sovereignty.
Belt ratting counts as X/200 (pick a number) / kill towards sovereignty.
Anomolies count as X/25 (pick a number) / comletion towards sovereignty.

Step 3: Determination of Sovereignty. Any corporation or alliance that gains a total of 300 points (pick a number) wins Sovereignty.

Only one corporation/alliance can have a positive point total. Points by other corporations count against positive total first, and then are added to the corp/alliance total.

Current sov holder cannot have a positive point total.

Step 4: Rewards. % increase in rewards for PVE activities.
% increase in rat bounties
% increase in mining
% increase in moon goo.
% increase in whatever, you pick.
% decrease in station bills (if there are any)
% decrease in POS fuel
etc.... make it easier to live in this system.


Also, there is no reason anybody shouldn't be able to put up anything anywhere in 0.0. It should be up to players to police their region, not sovereignty levels. If an entity has the balls and wherewithall to put up a station somewhere, they should be able to do it. Balancing should be performed by "delay of action" such as when you put up a cynojammer, it takes a day (pick a time) to activate. Your side either performs active patrols (once per day, pick a length of time), or suffer the consequences.

I mean, basically most of these ideas come down to "HURR **** THOSE RUSSIANS IN 0.0! 23/7 OR GTFO!"

As opposed to people who currently reside there and outnumber (by a factor of 3 or more) those who left? Yes, there is something wrong with that.



People said they hated POS warfare, then they went to Dominion sov. Going from Dominion sov to activity based sov will **** over single TZ entities (i.e. rus, independent aus, us, etc. ). Null life in general is largely the same as living in lowsec, except you can really make people's life unpleasant (which is OK, this is EVE) and, in sov portions, boot people's ass to back to Empire for not fighting.



War is happening, ships are exploding (including supers!), people are unironically mad at each other in null. This is working as intended.