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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#41 - 2012-02-21 23:34:23 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
Kiss me quickly wrote:
In the "elite" FW corps there is little to no interest in flying with people from less established corporations.
People would rather do 10 jumps to kills some neutral T3 than jump to the next system to fight the enemy militia. It is like the enemy militia does not exist to them, systems just flip and nobody cares.


To be fair... when a group of "hardened FW bittervets" start roaming around the opposing militia just "happens" to become "scarce."

I'd rather go hunting for some poor sap that just stumbled into our corner of space than pointlessly chase around people in nano-frigates who are trying to "circlejerk" us.

How did you Veterans start?
Flyinghotpocket
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#42 - 2012-02-22 07:10:31 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:

  • Flyinghotpocket just happens to be a active pilot in the Amarr militia. Neither he nor his alts are outstandingly good, but he doesn't failfit and knows how to use his friends in ARETR to good effect.
    • [


    no doubt you will wander the eve universe wondering just how many alts i really do have.

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    Flyinghotpocket
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    #43 - 2012-02-22 07:11:57 UTC
    ShahFluffers wrote:
    Kiss me quickly wrote:
    In the "elite" FW corps there is little to no interest in flying with people from less established corporations.
    People would rather do 10 jumps to kills some neutral T3 than jump to the next system to fight the enemy militia. It is like the enemy militia does not exist to them, systems just flip and nobody cares.


    To be fair... when a group of "hardened FW bittervets" start roaming around the opposing militia just "happens" to become "scarce."

    I'd rather go hunting for some poor sap that just stumbled into our corner of space than pointlessly chase around people in nano-frigates who are trying to "circlejerk" us.


    you could always man up and ship down like we tell you to in local everyday of our eve life. we say man up, ship down, not ship up man down. get it straight


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    Doomhowler
    Doomheim
    #44 - 2012-02-22 07:20:22 UTC
    Sounds like FW is the right place for my corp and we'd fit right in, I'm considering signing us up soon!
    Flyingleanpocket
    Amarrian Vengeance
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    #45 - 2012-02-22 07:43:58 UTC
    Flyinghotpocket wrote:
    Petrus Blackshell wrote:

  • Flyinghotpocket just happens to be a active pilot in the Amarr militia. Neither he nor his alts are outstandingly good, but he doesn't failfit and knows how to use his friends in ARETR to good effect.
    • [


    no doubt you will wander the eve universe wondering just how many alts i really do have.




    Hint: It's a lot
    Deen Wispa
    Sheriff.
    United Caldari Space Command.
    #46 - 2012-02-22 08:08:15 UTC
    Alaekessa wrote:
    The rage in this thread is absolutely epic, though I must admit that I have recently found myself in a somewhat similar situation. My corp and I (a fairly small gathering of friends from varied FPS and IRL) have recently joined Minmatar FW (IIRC, it was within 1-3 days of the "Alliances may now join FW" update). We too, are a small group who've been tested little as far as PVP is concerned and we sought to gain experience through joining the Militia.

    I found that the Militia is not as open as I had hoped or had been led by my assumptions to believe. I will be the first to admit that I made a couple of social gaffes (again due to my assumptions of openness). I agree with some of the OPs observations and I too have been offended by actions/words of some of my fellow FW comrades, though as others have said, take initiative. I have participated in a fleet or two (got inon somekills too) and even started one of my own when it seemed that no one else would step up. I have also had the experience of being in a fleet where I was apparently always 3 jumps behind the rest of the fleet.

    I realize that my feeble killboard is nothing to brag about (not a final blow to my name and my ships are probably failfit), but the point is that I have been trying to do my part. Granted I am not out there every night hunting WTs, but nevertheless I am participating when not trying to juggle all of the other things that my corp is involved in.

    I would be more than happy to fleet up with any fellow Republic Militia members

    OP, whoever your main is, you need to do something for yourself if you're not happy with your situation, forum rage never effects any change other than to sour peoples opinion of you.


    Good attitude. Red head. And fights to free slaves. Will you go out with me? I'm a Gallente lesbian

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    Petrus Blackshell
    Rifterlings
    #47 - 2012-02-22 08:23:11 UTC
    Flyingleanpocket wrote:
    Flyinghotpocket wrote:
    Petrus Blackshell wrote:

  • Flyinghotpocket just happens to be a active pilot in the Amarr militia. Neither he nor his alts are outstandingly good, but he doesn't failfit and knows how to use his friends in ARETR to good effect.
    • [

    no doubt you will wander the eve universe wondering just how many alts i really do have.

    Hint: It's a lot

    That's the conclusion I reached too. I should start a "Flyingaltpocket" campaign for my killboard, and put any kills I get of you and your alts in it.

    Flyinghotpocket wrote:
    ShahFluffers wrote:
    To be fair... when a group of "hardened FW bittervets" start roaming around the opposing militia just "happens" to become "scarce."

    I'd rather go hunting for some poor sap that just stumbled into our corner of space than pointlessly chase around people in nano-frigates who are trying to "circlejerk" us.


    you could always man up and ship down like we tell you to in local everyday of our eve life. we say man up, ship down, not ship up man down. get it straight


    Sometimes shipping up works too, but you are right. If you know exactly what your enemy is flying, why would you ever ship up to something that has no hope of killing them ever?

    There are way too many people who put all their faith in their ship's ISK worth, or in an ~awesomefit~ or a ~solopwnmobile~. And yet, I can't decide if Eve would be more or less fun if people started to actually think about what they're flying. Food for thought, I suppose.

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    Bischopt
    Sebiestor Tribe
    Minmatar Republic
    #48 - 2012-02-22 14:42:54 UTC
    Deen Wispa wrote:
    Alaekessa wrote:
    The rage in this thread is absolutely epic, though I must admit that I have recently found myself in a somewhat similar situation. My corp and I (a fairly small gathering of friends from varied FPS and IRL) have recently joined Minmatar FW (IIRC, it was within 1-3 days of the "Alliances may now join FW" update). We too, are a small group who've been tested little as far as PVP is concerned and we sought to gain experience through joining the Militia.

    I found that the Militia is not as open as I had hoped or had been led by my assumptions to believe. I will be the first to admit that I made a couple of social gaffes (again due to my assumptions of openness). I agree with some of the OPs observations and I too have been offended by actions/words of some of my fellow FW comrades, though as others have said, take initiative. I have participated in a fleet or two (got inon somekills too) and even started one of my own when it seemed that no one else would step up. I have also had the experience of being in a fleet where I was apparently always 3 jumps behind the rest of the fleet.

    I realize that my feeble killboard is nothing to brag about (not a final blow to my name and my ships are probably failfit), but the point is that I have been trying to do my part. Granted I am not out there every night hunting WTs, but nevertheless I am participating when not trying to juggle all of the other things that my corp is involved in.

    I would be more than happy to fleet up with any fellow Republic Militia members

    OP, whoever your main is, you need to do something for yourself if you're not happy with your situation, forum rage never effects any change other than to sour peoples opinion of you.


    Good attitude. Red head. And fights to free slaves. Will you go out with me? I'm a Gallente lesbian


    Now we're getting somewhere.
    Flyinghotpocket
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    #49 - 2012-02-22 19:20:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Flyinghotpocket
    Petrus Blackshell wrote:


    Sometimes shipping up works too, but you are right. If you know exactly what your enemy is flying, why would you ever ship up to something that has no hope of killing them ever?

    There are way too many people who put all their faith in their ship's ISK worth, or in an ~awesomefit~ or a ~solopwnmobile~. And yet, I can't decide if Eve would be more or less fun if people started to actually think about what they're flying. Food for thought, I suppose.



    it would be more fun if people were less concered with "i might die so im going to bring a pirate faction ship to kill a plain t1 ship that wont stand any sort of chance unless its raining outside and its monday and its the afternoon" senario

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    Petrus Blackshell
    Rifterlings
    #50 - 2012-02-22 20:56:58 UTC
    Flyinghotpocket wrote:

    it would be more fun if people were less concered with "i might die so im going to bring a pirate faction ship to kill a plain t1 ship that wont stand any sort of chance unless its raining outside and its monday and its the afternoon" senario

    "I might die" is a scary concept for most people. How are you supposed to maintain KB efficiency without flying a mega-boosted faction ship? Or being in a Dreak blob?

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    Alaric Faelen
    Republic Military School
    Minmatar Republic
    #51 - 2012-02-22 22:29:17 UTC
    The OP spelled it out- and the flaw is thinking of FW as 'intro to PvP' content. It's just not. (BTW, I'm not an FW player myself so I don't have a stake in this argument)
    Raging is just going to immediately put people on the defensive. You've got a common complaint, but yelling about it just makes people yell back.

    There is no introductory PvP in Eve. It's pretty much all or nothing. You must expect every enemy to have maxed skills and a fully blinged out ship. Often they AREN'T, but there is no game mechanic to delineate between the noob and the jedi.

    FW is not a good intro to PvP concept. Just like Incursions, people make their living that way and don't want to 'lose' if they can avoid it.
    What the OP needs is 'cheap' PvP with someone flying cover to keep them from dying so quickly that he doesn't learn from the experience. There just isn't much of a mechanic for that in Eve.
    You could hook up with a null alliance and tag along with their fleets. Even the leet null pilots in capitals will welcome some fast tackle in frigates. That's what I'd suggest- perhaps work as a group with your friends to specialize in a fleet support role that will attract FC's in a larger alliance.

    Often you can ask for 1v1 duels and then after losing ask the victor politely for some tips. I took a half dozen throwaway, mission-loot fitted frigates to Anamake for the Frig Fry once and just asked the people that kicked my a$$ what I was doing right/wrong. I learned a ton just from that.

    You just have to understand that 'tagging along' in a fleet opens that fleet to the risk of you ganking them. It's not an indictment of Eve players that they recognize that threat.
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    #52 - 2012-02-23 00:30:14 UTC
    Petrus Blackshell wrote:
    Flyinghotpocket wrote:

    it would be more fun if people were less concered with "i might die so im going to bring a pirate faction ship to kill a plain t1 ship that wont stand any sort of chance unless its raining outside and its monday and its the afternoon" senario

    "I might die" is a scary concept for most people. How are you supposed to maintain KB efficiency without flying a mega-boosted faction ship? Or being in a Dreak blob?


    Growing some balls maybe? "o my god i lost a 50mil ship my efficiency is ruined!!! ill only fly in the blob from now on and run away from ANYTHING that even has the slightest chance of killing me"

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    SigmaPi
    Ambivalent Inc
    Coney Island Ski Club
    #53 - 2012-02-23 00:34:16 UTC
    Writing your autobiography, hotpocket?
    Har Harrison
    Garoun Investment Bank
    Gallente Federation
    #54 - 2012-02-23 02:36:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Har Harrison
    Petrus Blackshell wrote:
    Flyinghotpocket just happens to be a active pilot in the Amarr militia. Neither he nor his alts are outstandingly good, but he doesn't failfit and knows how to use his friends in ARETR to good effect.

    Confirming that we are all friends with pocket (who is a complete noob Roll). You should therefore go at him with your friends. He won't mind I am sure...

    Also confirming, I am not one of his alts...

    In response to the OP

    FW might be "casual" PvP to many pilots compared to the CTA events you see in null sec, but the large FW corps (and now alliances) still take it seriously and as such care about operational security in much the same way a null sec alliance does. To put it simply, the MILIITIA channel is a time delayed channel that ANYONE can put an alt in to monitor (the lulz you get when an enemy spai posts intel in YOUR militia channel about YOUR militia instead of in HIS militia channel is hilarious).

    If you want to be taken seriously

    1. Get some kills with your corp. This lets people see you are serious about doing PvP and aren't there to spy and/or mission farm FW LP.
    2. Start running plexes to contest/decontest systems. Other people WILL notice this. Since there is nothing to gain from doing it at the moment except for standings with your militia and looting the wrecks for tags, doing so shows dedication to the militia and that you are there for the right reasons - to pvp and kill the opposing militias.
    3. Go through the motions for a period until you have established the cred you require, at which point you and YOUR corp will be able to call the next guy/corp who has just joined militia and says o/ in Militia channel a spai as you have earned your stripes

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    #55 - 2012-02-23 03:16:26 UTC
    SigmaPi wrote:
    words


    huh?

    Amarr Militia Representative - A jar of nitro
    SigmaPi
    Ambivalent Inc
    Coney Island Ski Club
    #56 - 2012-02-23 03:22:58 UTC
    Flyinghotpocket wrote:
    SigmaPi wrote:
    words


    huh?


    Just trolling you mate. The words you're spewing are just as applicable to your crowd as they are to ours.
    Mallak Azaria
    Caldari Provisions
    Caldari State
    #57 - 2012-02-23 04:02:33 UTC
    This is known as the Initiation Process. All pilots & corps new to FW go through this process.
    It weeds out the weak & has obviously worked in your particular case.

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    Petrus Blackshell
    Rifterlings
    #58 - 2012-02-23 04:44:33 UTC
    Har Harrison wrote:

    Also confirming, I am not one of his alts...

    I'm not falling for that one.

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    Flyingdopepocket
    Filthy Franchise
    #59 - 2012-02-23 07:42:07 UTC
    Petrus Blackshell wrote:
    Har Harrison wrote:

    Also confirming, I am not one of his alts...

    I'm not falling for that one.



    and neither am I.


    so....


    where were we?
    Cearain
    Plus 10 NV
    #60 - 2012-02-23 14:31:33 UTC
    Flyinghotpocket wrote:
    "o my god i lost a 50mil ship my efficiency is ruined!!! ill only fly in the blob from now on and run away from ANYTHING that even has the slightest chance of killing me"


    The whole "isk efficiency" rating is one of the worst statistics in eve that has discouraged good fights.

    Anyway how is it calculated?

    If you kill a 200 million isk battleship with 20 other players do you each get 10 million isk added to what you have killed?

    Or do they base it on the amount of damage you have done? So if you did half the damage you would have 100 million isk and the other 19 would divide the other 100 million based on their damage?

    Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815