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Falcon/Rook
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Balkor Wolf
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-02-15 11:22:41 UTC
Im planning on within the next month or so to train up to fly either the Falcon or Rook after ive had a little more experience in my Blackbird however im not too sure on which would be best to use for Lowsec PVP. In the alliance Tournaments ive noticed that a lot of people used the Rook which people say is best for combat where as my little Nullsec experience ive only ever encountered the Falcon.

I know the main differences are that the Falcon is cloaky and the Rook is supposedly better for DPS/Tank and since im expecting most of my combat to be at a star gate (Usually jumping into a gate camp) then the Rook would be much more suited for the initial close range rather than being able to recloak.

So I guess what im asking is what are peoples experiences and preferences in these kind of situations and which would you reccomend for roaming in a smallish gang?

o7 Balkor
Angelina Joliee
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-02-15 11:37:31 UTC
If you are solo or in a real small gang (1-4 ppl) the Rook is very cool. You can fit HAM for max damage or HMs for range. Dont forget a large shield extender.

But for bigger gangs i would never flight a Rook, because it will not life long because primaried.
So take a Falcon for that. A falcon can survive big fights because you can perma-toggle cloak on and off.

Regarding lowsec recons have disadvantages (low HP) which can make you problems if a sentry gun is near.
Balkor Wolf
Doomheim
#3 - 2012-02-15 12:41:31 UTC
Thanks for the reply =) Ill probably just end up buying them both anyway and use either depending on how I feel but I rekon I will be using the Rook the most often for small engagements.
stup idity
#4 - 2012-02-15 12:50:18 UTC
If I recall correctly, using cloaks was forbidden in the alliance tournament, therefore there was no point in using Falcons.

I am the Herald of all beings that are me.
M1k3y Koontz
House of Musashi
Stay Feral
#5 - 2012-02-21 22:06:43 UTC  |  Edited by: M1k3y Koontz
Rooks = DPS
Falcon = Benefit of cloaking and the enemy gang not knowing they are engadging a falcon until its far too late.

Also, in the alliance tourny there was no real reason to have a cloak, it was going to get primaried and die one way or another so might as well gain that extra DPS.

How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#6 - 2012-02-21 22:08:49 UTC
M1k3y Koontz wrote:

Rooks = DPS
Falcon = Benefit of cloaking and the enemy gang not knowing they are engadging a falcon until its far too late.


This is really it - its damn near impossible to get a fight when you fly around in a Rook.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Marcus Henik
Rules of Acquisition
#7 - 2012-02-22 01:36:00 UTC
Atleast not any fight you want. Imo falcon for general low/null dbagery, rook for some specialized situations. The cloak is to much to give up.
Wacktopia
Fleet-Up.com
Keep It Simple Software Group
#8 - 2012-02-22 03:11:43 UTC
Falcons can jump in with a b/o gang for maximum chance of survival.

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Ahrieman
Codex Praedonum
Divine Damnation
#9 - 2012-02-22 03:16:13 UTC
Stop training for faggotry. Don't fly a rook or a falcon unless you are just too exhausted to pound another dude in the butt. Grow a pair and get a real ship.

Solo Rifter since 2009
Balkor Wolf
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-02-22 10:06:07 UTC
Ahrieman wrote:
Stop training for faggotry. Don't fly a rook or a falcon unless you are just too exhausted to pound another dude in the butt. Grow a pair and get a real ship.


I think you will find I fly all kinds of ships and if you actually read my original post you would see I was planning on training for it not that im going to listen to anything you have to say regarding how I train my account unless you start feeding me plex so why dont you go back into your little cave where no one has to suffer your pointless and fail replies?
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#11 - 2012-02-22 10:32:34 UTC
Balkor Wolf wrote:
Ahrieman wrote:
Stop training for faggotry. Don't fly a rook or a falcon unless you are just too exhausted to pound another dude in the butt. Grow a pair and get a real ship.


I think you will find I fly all kinds of ships and if you actually read my original post you would see I was planning on training for it not that im going to listen to anything you have to say regarding how I train my account unless you start feeding me plex so why dont you go back into your little cave where no one has to suffer your pointless and fail replies?

why dont you go back into your little cave where no one has to suffer your pointless and fail replies?

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Ahrieman
Codex Praedonum
Divine Damnation
#12 - 2012-02-22 10:37:49 UTC
Balkor Wolf wrote:
Ahrieman wrote:
Stop training for faggotry. Don't fly a rook or a falcon unless you are just too exhausted to pound another dude in the butt. Grow a pair and get a real ship.


I think you will find I fly all kinds of ships and if you actually read my original post you would see I was planning on training for it not that im going to listen to anything you have to say regarding how I train my account unless you start feeding me plex so why dont you go back into your little cave where no one has to suffer your pointless and fail replies?


U MAD BRO?

Solo Rifter since 2009
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#13 - 2012-02-22 10:38:41 UTC
Ahrieman wrote:
Balkor Wolf wrote:
Ahrieman wrote:
Stop training for faggotry. Don't fly a rook or a falcon unless you are just too exhausted to pound another dude in the butt. Grow a pair and get a real ship.


I think you will find I fly all kinds of ships and if you actually read my original post you would see I was planning on training for it not that im going to listen to anything you have to say regarding how I train my account unless you start feeding me plex so why dont you go back into your little cave where no one has to suffer your pointless and fail replies?


U MAD BRO?


He ~jelly~ bro

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Nalha Saldana
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-02-22 11:21:59 UTC
popcorn anyone?
penifSMASH
ElitistOps
Snuffed Out
#15 - 2012-02-22 21:45:53 UTC
I used to love flying falcons, hated the Rook because it had such low survivability. Falcons are generally more useful because you can fit utility highs like probe launchers, cynos, and remote reps. With a rook you get only an extra 250 dps which will rarely "make the difference" in a fight.
Super Chair
Project Cerberus
Templis CALSF
#16 - 2012-02-23 03:44:51 UTC
I used to fly falcons, but being in caldari faction war there was really no point if the opposing militia sat in their home system with scouts on every gate to see falcons decloak to get an estimate of your fleets ecm. I swapped to the rook because I often times had found myself having to jump into the enemy gang with my fleet and rather than warp off and warp back I could just burn off immediatly and begin jamming/throwing out dps. The rook is a really great ship because in medium sized to larger gangs no ones gonna give a **** about the single dram or cynabal harrasing the ecm boats. Rook can force these ships to screw off.
Vladimir Smugdog
#17 - 2012-02-23 03:55:27 UTC
Nalha Saldana wrote:
popcorn anyone?


Full on ship-toast from the Amamake kitchen tonight.