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Three Diferent Questions!
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Rens Renoir Hastmena
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-02-23 03:38:31 UTC
As per topic, I have three different questions, I did some search and could not find anything related.

I kindly request help on the following:

1- In order to use the Cargo Scanner, will one need to target the ship? Someone told me that using this type of scanner you cannot tell if your ship was in fact targeted, just making sure this information is correct.

2- Using the market, I have noticed in different occasions that someone has a sell order for like 4 items, you buy said items and it keeps on refreshing the same quantities and price, its like you having 100 units but it only shows 4 in the sell order, how can this be done?

3- If (when) someone suicide gankes you and you have enough tank to survive, are you allowed to loot their wreck?

Thank you in advance for any help.

Regards.

PS: I apologize if this is not in the right place, however, since its three different questions I did not knew where to post it.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#2 - 2012-02-23 03:48:57 UTC
Rens Renoir Hastmena wrote:

1- In order to use the Cargo Scanner, will one need to target the ship? Someone told me that using this type of scanner you cannot tell if your ship was in fact targeted, just making sure this information is correct.

Get a passive targeter, those don't let your target know you are locking them.Big smile Gankers use it, I think on Hulks etc to check their tank (usually very little).

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Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#3 - 2012-02-23 03:58:25 UTC
Rens Renoir Hastmena wrote:

1- In order to use the Cargo Scanner, will one need to target the ship? Someone told me that using this type of scanner you cannot tell if your ship was in fact targeted, just making sure this information is correct.


Yes, you need to target them. Passive targeters let you do so without yellowboxing on their screen.

Rens Renoir Hastmena wrote:

2- Using the market, I have noticed in different occasions that someone has a sell order for like 4 items, you buy said items and it keeps on refreshing the same quantities and price, its like you having 100 units but it only shows 4 in the sell order, how can this be done?


I haven't got an idea, it may be lag. It may also be the game automatically looking for the most similar order and slipping it in.

Rens Renoir Hastmena wrote:

3- If (when) someone suicide gankes you and you have enough tank to survive, are you allowed to loot their wreck?


You can start shooting back as soon as they open fire AFAIK. You can *always* loot their wreck, I'm unsure if that will give them kill rights in that situation however (ugh highsec mechanics), but it will warn you before you get flagged.
KrakizBad
Section 8.
#4 - 2012-02-23 03:59:16 UTC
Rens Renoir Hastmena wrote:
As per topic, I have three different questions, I did some search and could not find anything related.

I kindly request help on the following:

1- In order to use the Cargo Scanner, will one need to target the ship? Someone told me that using this type of scanner you cannot tell if your ship was in fact targeted, just making sure this information is correct.

2- Using the market, I have noticed in different occasions that someone has a sell order for like 4 items, you buy said items and it keeps on refreshing the same quantities and price, its like you having 100 units but it only shows 4 in the sell order, how can this be done?

3- If (when) someone suicide gankes you and you have enough tank to survive, are you allowed to loot their wreck?

Thank you in advance for any help.

Regards.

PS: I apologize if this is not in the right place, however, since its three different questions I did not knew where to post it.

1. Already answered above.
2. Sounds like you are trying to buy not the lowest price order; it defaults to lowest price regardless.
3. Yes. The wreck of a concord kill automatically blues.
Serge Bastana
GWA Corp
#5 - 2012-02-23 06:51:36 UTC
To answer question 2, if you are buying from an order that isn't the cheapest on station what happens is you pay the price you selected but actually buy the item from the cheapest order available, that's why it can be worth sorting your market list by price descending and finding the first order on station if you don't wish to travel.

WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place...

Rens Renoir Hastmena
Doomheim
#6 - 2012-02-23 13:04:50 UTC
Thank you for all the replies.

About the market order, it was not the lowest in the Region, it was however the cheapest in Station, it was listed as 4 units, once I hit "buy" it became available again with same 4 units same price, I've taken a screenshot of it:

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/1407/buyorder.jpg


Kind regards.
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2012-02-23 14:38:44 UTC
Rens Renoir Hastmena wrote:

2- Using the market, I have noticed in different occasions that someone has a sell order for like 4 items, you buy said items and it keeps on refreshing the same quantities and price, its like you having 100 units but it only shows 4 in the sell order, how can this be done?

expired orders are only purged on next downtime - from the point of expiry until then they still exist but don't show up in the interface

so you might have bought from an expired sell order that was listed at a lower price.

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Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-02-23 14:59:32 UTC
Rens Renoir Hastmena wrote:
1- In order to use the Cargo Scanner, will one need to target the ship? Someone told me that using this type of scanner you cannot tell if your ship was in fact targeted, just making sure this information is correct.


Yes you need to target the ship you want to scan and yes you can do so he doesn't see you doing it easily by using passive targeters, however the effect of said scan is visible.

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2- Using the market, I have noticed in different occasions that someone has a sell order for like 4 items, you buy said items and it keeps on refreshing the same quantities and price, its like you having 100 units but it only shows 4 in the sell order, how can this be done?


Trading skills very often, market bots sometimes. You don't get scamed but someone somewhere who sold the stuff to that trader who sold it to you in his turn got owned in some valid way but both made profits (market trading is valid tactic of pvp).
You've just used some trader services without even noticing , however, some market bots can simulate this kind of operation and the fact they use small amounts of materials/items is just the bot tactic to always be the best price in said item.

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3- If (when) someone suicide gankes you and you have enough tank to survive, are you allowed to loot their wreck?

As long as the wrecks are blue, everyone can loot those

If the wreck is white you can loot it if it's you who did it or you will have a warning if it's someone from your corp/alliance who did it in witch case if you take it you give him permission to shoot you (and no one else)

If the wreck is yellow, move on unless you are searching for fights or trying to grief someone.

In any of these cases you are aloud to salvage because the salvage belongs to anyone that can salvage, unlike the cargo in said wreck with the simple rules I've mentioned above. (maybe forgot a pair of small stuff)

Pay very attention to what you are doing in high sec because if high sec is supposed to be safe it's the opposite.
-You can't identify your enemy unless your corp is in wardec and even then you don't know if it's a neutral jammer/remote rep.

-You never know if the guy sitting next to you is there to kill the rats about to spawn or just the warpin for those about to gank you

-never shoot the guy stealing your loot, he's not there for the value in that can, he only want you to shoot him so he can come back with his e-peen fake snowflake kill you and show his corp boyfriends how good he is at pvp.

Last but non the least and believe me is the best advice I can give you: go to null sec, find some corp in a decent alliance, join them deep in null sec, learn to set your skill plan, be useful in gangs fleets, get awesome rewards but also you'll learn the hard way and cash how to survive in null, how to travel, how to win isk, in short how to play Eve.

Enjoy your experience
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#9 - 2012-02-23 15:27:10 UTC
If memory serves, containers are sold by NPC's.

When you buy from an NPC, the amount available does not go down.

For example if an NPC is listed as having 4 skillbooks available and you buy one, that NPC still has 4 skillbooks available for sale afterwards.

No need for tinfoil market bot theories.

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Velicitia
XS Tech
#10 - 2012-02-23 15:41:20 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
If memory serves, containers are sold by NPC's.

When you buy from an NPC, the amount available does not go down.

For example if an NPC is listed as having 4 skillbooks available and you buy one, that NPC still has 4 skillbooks available for sale afterwards.

No need for tinfoil market bot theories.


note that when you buy all four items from an NPC seller, they're immediately re-listed at a slightly higher price (assuming the "base" sell is 4 units ... some things are that low, others are a couple hundred units).

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Cebraio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-02-23 15:47:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Cebraio
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Rens Renoir Hastmena wrote:

3- If (when) someone suicide gankes you and you have enough tank to survive, are you allowed to loot their wreck?


You can start shooting back as soon as they open fire AFAIK. You can *always* loot their wreck, I'm unsure if that will give them kill rights in that situation however (ugh highsec mechanics), but it will warn you before you get flagged.


Kill Rights is the wrong term there. In fact, if you don't shoot back, you should get kill rights ON THEM. Here is a more thorough explanation of the different terms and situations (although it might be outdated in some parts, for example group aggression).
Rens Renoir Hastmena
Doomheim
#12 - 2012-02-23 17:32:18 UTC
Once again thank you for all the replies.



Ranger 1 wrote:
If memory serves, containers are sold by NPC's.

When you buy from an NPC, the amount available does not go down.

For example if an NPC is listed as having 4 skillbooks available and you buy one, that NPC still has 4 skillbooks available for sale afterwards.

No need for tinfoil market bot theories.


It was not a NPC, I just omitted the sellers name because I believe its not correct of me to do so, please do not think I'm suggesting there's any conspiracy in this at all, I just found it to be interesting and would like to know how to do the same.

Kind regards.
oustade Habalu
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2012-02-24 14:15:10 UTC
That market order does not look right, AFAIK there is no game mechanics that allows you to do what you have described!
SgtGoodEnd
BTSK
#14 - 2012-02-29 20:22:23 UTC
You should try MD for that, just saying...