Science & Industry

Even if an alliance in 0.0 incorporated a NRDS policy, they have very little resources to devote towards protecting every prospective miner from being attacked by low-sec pirates (who don't always respect NRDS rules). And yes, low-sec pirates do sneak into 0.0 whenever they feel like it. This is also not accounting for the looming threat of another alliance wanting control of that region.

So, the NRDS may be respected and enforced by one alliance, but other alliances are not obligated to respect it unless they are allies (but allies don't stay allies forever).

You are absolutely correct to assume that a low-sec or 0.0 system with a NRDS policy towards neutral miners will attract the attention of more miners, but don't ignore the fact that this also attracts pirates and enemy alliances wanting to grief said miners.

Hmm.
In the last few minutes I just figured out how I can get 30K+ EHP on a Hulk, and still have 3x T2 Strip miners.
Not including gang bonuses and overheating effects. No expensive mods required.

I also figured out how to get 22K+ EHP on a Mackinaw, with 2x T2 Ice Harvesters.
Not including gang bonuses and overheating effects. No expensive mods required.

I'm pretty sure a Catalyst (or two) can't kill either.

Maybe instead of WHINING for a buff like an idiot noob, you should put away the Expanded Cargohold II's and Cap Recharger II's and learn how to tank your 150-200M ISK investment.

How stupid are you people?

Miners have to learn how to fit their ships for something other than 'max mining yield'.

Entitled carebears who think they are exempt from the rules that everyone else plays by because they 'aren't looking for PVP'.

Lets recap.
Clueless, whining, grammar challenged OP states:

"What do you guys think about getting the hulk buffed for more cpu / powergrid. this should be done so that the 0.0 miners can tank there ship without having to buy hundreds of millions worth of ship."

Other idiot miners are like "YEAH, no fair that a Catalyst can blow up an Exhumer."

So I helpfully point out that its quite easy with T2 fittings to tank a Hulk above 30K EHP - without sacrificing a single Strip Miner.

The problem is not that Hulks cannot be tanked - its that miners steadfastly refuse to do it - and then wonder why a single destroyer can kill them in highsec.

Posting as a TEARS member is always pro. But especially when I know more about tanking Hulks than 99% of the whiners on here. Makes them easier to kill.

Seriously, and thats just high sec. WTF is 'extra grid/cpu' going to do for a Hulk in 0.0?

Is he really thinking "Yeah, this Curse has me locked and scrammed, but I'm good to go - I've got LSE II's now."

i think this game needs a T5 hulk with 8 strip miners, can field a 100k hitpoint tank, 250k m3 cargo and can align like an interceptor. make it happen ccp. make it happen.

no seriously! i'm really serious.

Pretty sure I'm bored now... Yep bored.

Sorry dude - you are just completely fail. Even my max-yield Hulks can resist a solo-destroyer-gank without any problems. Quite sure you are just doing it the wrong way. Whining guys like you are the reason, why miners / industrial Carebears have such a bad image of always being pussys.

Buffing Mining ships further will not solve anything, except that lazy people can earn a little more money without doing anything for it. And believe me: If CCP would generate a T3 Mining Ship with 50k EHP and it costs 1B ISK. other's and possible me in an alt as well will visit you with 4x BCs and shoot your T3 Mining Ship out of this universe, for fun and for the tears! If other corporations start mining in our HiSec mining base system we use our neutral alts and their T3 BCs to show them, that they are not welcome!

PS: I just have a new idea, which is as clever as yours: CCP can you please add 250k EHP to my Mammoth and maybe tripple the freight space? Thanks that would be nice. Doesn't make sense, but makes my live easier. And btw. Can you please also add 8 slots for Stripminers to my Orca and increase the ore cargohold to 1.000.000 m3, so that my Orca is not only giving boost when I support our mining fleet? And CCP, can you please als just make this game for free, because it would be easier for me and I can spend my real money for other things? Oh wait ... can you please as well make the whole Eve Univers a 100% 1.0 HiSec system? That would be great. Stop - I have another idea, which solves all the problems: Transfer please 100 Billion ISK to everybody and change the market to a NPC market, where all items cost only 1 ISK? That would be fantastic.

If anybody find's sarcasm in above post, he can keep it for himself.

PS: With regard to "Procurer should be the miners starter ship" statement: The Procurer is the mining barge startet ship. It's just that you can use Cruisers and other ships as well for Mining. Following your argumentation even the Retriever is not a useful mining ship, because a Rokh can mine more Ore than a Retriever. That means CCP just have one real option: Delete standard Mining Lasers from the game!

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Stop mining for max yield
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Are you serious? No you can't be serious with this statement!

Just one well-intentioned advice: Stop posting!

You just make yourself ridiculous! If you have no idea about how you do mining the right way you shouldn't try to guess. And even in one of my Cargo-Hulks no destroyer can solo-gank me! Maybe a fully level 5-skilled T3 BC or Battleship, but no destroyer! So even there you are wrong.

Again: Better stop posting before everybody, I mean really everybody is laughing about you.

After extensively fitting my Hulk for maximum tank, I learned that you can get close to 30k (even without named/faction mods). But in order to hit the 30K mark, you will need tank-boosting implants (I can't remember the names right now), along with someone who can provide fleets boosts for tanks (an Orca can field three active links at once), and if you overheat your modules right before them pesky Catalysts start shooting at you (have nanite repair paste on hand).

I have to agree with the TEAR guy. There is a major difference between not being able to defend one's self as a miner and choosing not to defend one's self as a miner.

Also, the miner can ask a buddy to haul the haul for them as they mine and split the profits however they so chose to agree on (not all sharing has to be 50/50 you know). If the miner is in a player-run corp, that player can take the opportunity to join corp-sponsored mining ops and take advantage of the fleet boosts for yield to make up for the loss of yield because of the tank.

TIPS:

• Fit Hulk with balanced mix of a little bit of shield buffer mixed with good amount of resistance across the board.
• When fitting for resistance, take into account the resistance of your armor. Focusing too much resistance on EM shields will leave you vulnerable on other resists.
• Don't forget about the Damage Control II module. That is an important factor for armor resists. I hope I am preaching to the choir about this.
• If you can field an alt that can shield rep you (shield repping is a must if you have a logi), the added shield boost will compliment the well-balanced shield resistance.

A well tanked Hulk will stand up to a DPS Brutix.

ah right, always forget about setting ganglinks when fitting in EFT.
... does leave a nice surprise on EHP when I'm in space then

Raw Hulk, Level V skills, no special implants, no gang bonuses, no tank at all = 9027 EHP (according to EFT). That goes up to 9800 if you fit the standard (1) Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II. (I have no sympathy for those who do not fit a DC2.)

Hulk w/ (1) DC2, (1) MLU2, (2) Invuln2, (2) Shield Extender Rigs - 22.2k EHP, 263M ISK

Hulk w/ (1) DC2, (1) Reinforced Bulkheads II, (2) Invuln2, (2) Small Azeo Shields, (2) Shield Extender Rigs - 27.6k, 270M ISK

Add bonuses from a Level V Orca Pilot, with a Shield Harm T2 gang link running (but no siege warfare mindlink, just the mining director mindlink), and the DC2/RB2 fit goes up to 31.4k EHP.

Overloading the invuln2 modules (2m 30s duration) gives you a temporary boost of about 10.5% EHP.

The Zainou Gnome KVA series implants add 1%/3%/5% to shield amounts (which is about 1k EHP on the DC2/RB2 fit). The Noble ZET3### series add hull hit points, but do not have much effect (about half the effect that the shield implant has).

All of which doesn't change my mind that the barges / exhumers need a balancing pass. It would not take much at all in the addition of more CPU/PG (and slots on the barges) for them to come up to the current game environment. For the Hulk, that would mean enough PG/CPU added so that they could fit (1 or 2) medium shield extenders instead of only being able to fit smalls.