EVE General Discussion

Which will drive the price of everything up. I.E. inflation. So you go from making 10 mil an hour to 12 mil an hour. And then you pay an extra 20% for everything in the game. Its like your 12 mil an hour is only worth 10 mil on the market prior to the 'mining buff'.

on a temporary base yes atleast for t1 items , other items price are depndant on other sources (PI, moongoo)
when mineral prices go up more people will mine again, so price will eventually stabilize after a while and maybe mining in nullsec becomes a viable option again , tho there needs to be more change in game mechanics to give nullsec mining a serious boost

well if you nerf gun mining you may save rock mining.

Because you're making the classic mistake of thinking more profitable = more m³. This is not the case.

If you try to make mining more profitable by increasing the volume mined, what will happen is that mining becomes (much) less profitable because you're further oversaturating an already saturated market — the demand simply isn't there, so mineral prices go down, so you have to mine more volume to just get the same amount of ISK as before, which further increases oversupply, which dives the prices down etc…

He's quite right: anything that actually makes mining more profitable means prices on everything else has to go up because that's where the increased mining profit comes from. He's quite wrong about painting it as a bad thing, however. Just because it causes very mild inflation doesn't mean that it's bad — the bad kind of inflation generally occurs when you have a massive oversupply of money so prices are driven up just because people can throw more money at a problem, rather than because they have to compete over semi-scarce resources.

It is somewhat counteracted by inflation, but not completely countered because there are also things that are unrelated to mineral supply. The same argument can be made for anything that increases anyone's income, and then it's just a matter of whose income is the cause. The thing is, though, that even though the miners' income might not be 100% of the increase in ore value, they will still be relatively richer: as the prices go up, so does their income, whereas everyone else's income stays the same in absolute terms. In other words, relative to the new prices, the miners come out equal or even a bit ahead — everyone else comes out behind, and the miners have had an increase in income relative to them. Their absolute purchasing power might not increase (they still have to mine for X hours to replace their hulk), but their relative purchasing power will (they can now replace that hulk, say, 10% faster than non-miners).

Eh no. Removing drone poo as a mineral source will not have that effect. It will have the effect of nerfing a specific nullsec sector's capabilities in order to give all of nullsec better competition — highsec does not even enter the equation. More importantly, it means nerfing “gun-mining” in favour of actual mining — i.e. giving back purpose to an entire profession. It actually means that it gives all those highsec miners something to strive for again.

Indeed it does, but try making proposals to make it more challenging and interesting and see what response you get from the "but mining also needs to be dull and easy enough so that I can make ISK while semi AFK" miners.

The inflation already exists in the system, the price of minerals is lower than it should be. This is due to the fact that minerals are sourced from too many activities and in volumes that are too large. Having minerals sourced from only the activity of mining will reduce inflation, although prices of minerals will go up.

Now I am sure you are scratching your head and having a WTF moment. Consider: As mineral prices increase, the attractiveness of mining as a profession also increases. The opportunity cost of mining is not slurping at the ISK faucet. That means less ISK will enter the economy and thus reduce the rate of growth of the monetary base, the monetary base will not inflate as quickly.

Eve, as it is designed, will always have some amount of monetary inflation in the system, so long as the faucets outpace the sinks and the ISK held in wallets by inactive players. But, if the monetary inflation rate can be kept in check, and meets the level of increased productivity gained by new players entering the game and older players increasing the industrial output, then prices will become more stable over the long run. Short term fluctuations will remain of course, but that is to be expected.

The intentions for certain initiatives regarding drone poo removal are ongoing and intended to be removed as part of iterations which will include everywhere, not just the changes we have seen in NPC null space. It is part of certain CSM 6 candidates campaign. And since drone poo exists as a source for certain minerals in high sec it would remove the capabalities of these sources. So it very much does enter the equation.



And these comments were made "after" the existing modifications made to the NPC null sec regions.

1. For the Drone regions introduce faction 'drone' items and buff the stats of 'Augmented' and 'integrated' Drones then increase the drops of the build items used to make them. Ratting in other areas of the game gives isk but also faction items since drones do not give bounties they should drop more faction items/region specific items. e.g serpentis drop 1600mm plates and meta 4 hybrids Sanshas drop lots of meta4 nuets etc etc.

2. Remove all meta 0 t1 drops from the game and replace all the meta1-4 drops with drops of bpc's that use minerals as the main component of the build.

3. Profit

Another advantage of removing meta 0 loot from high sec mission loot would be to give starting manufacturers a foothold in industry and would probably help miners too since they would have modules to build that didn't compete with the loot drops being sold by mission runners in the thousands. Meta 1-4 stuff could stay and not cause any problems for them, but currently there's little reason to build most meta 0 modules since so much is dropped in mission loot.

I always though it was barring new industrialists from getting a decent start by having regular meta 0 loot in missions

The existing casual experience should remain but there needs a new "taking mining to 11" experience that is dynamic, affected by real time decisions and where ship choice and fittings become part of optimized results, just like you find in ship combat.

Issler Dainze
The Miner's Friend
CSM 7 Candidate