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Speech to the Federal Senate - 6.2.114 - Not All Civilisations Are Equal
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Senn Typhos
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#41 - 2012-02-15 19:31:35 UTC
ChipMo wrote:
Senn Typhos wrote:

Nationalism has constructed the four major nations, debates about their standings and superiority aside.


Four major nations? Are you talking about the Caldari State, Minmatar Republic, Gallente Federation & Amarr Empire?

While I'm sure they each have nationalist minorities and extreamists within them; they can hardly be credited with each races reletive success. The clues to the driving political forces of each is kind of given away in their taken names...


Sansha's Nation, now thats a shining example of a nationalist entity at its pinicle.


It is strange that I even need to define this to another pilot, but the four nations recognized by CONCORD are the State, Federation, Empire and Republic, to clarify your confusion.

The fact that these four exist is the result of individuals organizing under given cultural principles. There are minority groups in all, but the nations are governed by the dominant cultural architecture. While the definition of a "nation" may be stretched at times, the pirate nations can fit under the basic definition, depending on certain variables.
ChipMo
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#42 - 2012-02-15 20:02:37 UTC
Senn Typhos wrote:

It is strange that I even need to define this to another pilot, but the four nations recognized by CONCORD are the State, Federation, Empire and Republic, to clarify your confusion.

The fact that these four exist is the result of individuals organizing under given cultural principles. There are minority groups in all, but the nations are governed by the dominant cultural architecture. While the definition of a "nation" may be stretched at times, the pirate nations can fit under the basic definition, depending on certain variables.


I think we have our wires crossed. I have been talking about nationalists and nationalism. ie: The devotion and loyalty to one's own nation, the policy of asserting the interests of one's own nation, viewed as separate from the interests of other nations or the common interests of all nations.

This is not the case for the Caldari, Gallente, Minmatar, even Amarrians. It is however, a pretty accurate description of the Sansha's view of New Eden.
Senn Typhos
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#43 - 2012-02-15 20:45:17 UTC
ChipMo wrote:
Senn Typhos wrote:

It is strange that I even need to define this to another pilot, but the four nations recognized by CONCORD are the State, Federation, Empire and Republic, to clarify your confusion.

The fact that these four exist is the result of individuals organizing under given cultural principles. There are minority groups in all, but the nations are governed by the dominant cultural architecture. While the definition of a "nation" may be stretched at times, the pirate nations can fit under the basic definition, depending on certain variables.


I think we have our wires crossed. I have been talking about nationalists and nationalism. ie: The devotion and loyalty to one's own nation, the policy of asserting the interests of one's own nation, viewed as separate from the interests of other nations or the common interests of all nations.

This is not the case for the Caldari, Gallente, Minmatar, even Amarrians. It is however, a pretty accurate description of the Sansha's view of New Eden.



I don't see the difference between your definition of nationalism and that of patriotism, which is certainly not a negative aspect. It is the foundation of a healthy society.
ChipMo
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#44 - 2012-02-15 22:19:17 UTC
Senn Typhos wrote:

I don't see the difference between your definition of nationalism and that of patriotism, which is certainly not a negative aspect. It is the foundation of a healthy society.


Well I think it may be worth your while finding out the differences. The most obvious I mentioned in a previous post, a patriot is not necessarily ignorant of shared interests, where a nationalist is.

Speaking personally, I view the patriot as a little naive but mostly harmless. Nationalism is just down right dangerous.

*ChipMo Shrugs..
Senn Typhos
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#45 - 2012-02-15 23:45:05 UTC
ChipMo wrote:
Senn Typhos wrote:

I don't see the difference between your definition of nationalism and that of patriotism, which is certainly not a negative aspect. It is the foundation of a healthy society.


Well I think it may be worth your while finding out the differences. The most obvious I mentioned in a previous post, a patriot is not necessarily ignorant of shared interests, where a nationalist is.

Speaking personally, I view the patriot as a little naive but mostly harmless. Nationalism is just down right dangerous.

*ChipMo Shrugs..




And as I previously stated, the view of the anarchist is not one that can be taken seriously. Whether it is a weak mind that is attracted to the concept, or if the concept weakens the mind, I cannot say. But the result is the same.

Without patriotic dedication to one's state, nothing of value can form from a given society.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#46 - 2012-02-15 23:47:01 UTC
Senn Typhos wrote:

And as I previously stated, the view of the anarchist is not one that can be taken seriously. Whether it is a weak mind that is attracted to the concept, or if the concept weakens the mind, I cannot say. But the result is the same.

Without patriotic dedication to one's state, nothing of value can form from a given society.


I will agree that without a cause, all efforts devolve into meaningless rabble, but that cause need not be one's state.

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Mumtaz Khan
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#47 - 2012-02-16 00:37:19 UTC
Hans Nardieu wrote:
Gallentean civilisation has uplifted so many others. No civilisation has been unimproved by contact with our people.


I wholeheartedly agree. Nothing quite brings a nation together like having a common enemy to wage war against!
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#48 - 2012-02-16 20:27:18 UTC
Patriotism : someone that loves or is devoted to his/her state or country.

Nationalism : political ideology that originally evolves around the concept of "Nation-state" and thus considers that a state has to be formed of people of the same ethnicity (the nation), believing that it creates national identity. Can at times use patriotism as a political argument or turn into a chauvinistic or xenophobic state.
Marco Bartoli
The Unknown Bar and Pub
#49 - 2012-02-22 07:32:18 UTC
Agreed, not all civilizations are equal. The Amarrian Empire is vastly superior to the Gallente Federation.

Excuse me for not reading the body of your speech, I don't bother with Federal propaganda.
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