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What does that mean? How does the overview behave now?

So we went from user-initiated predictable/simple behaviour (overview locks when you press ctrl) to unintended but predictable behaviour (overview locks when you move your mouse over it) to unintended and unpredicable behaviour (overview locks if you hold some unspecified buttons or keep moving the mouse, but unlocks after an unspecified period of time if you stop moving it (??)). That's progress for you!

No I find the small font good. They just trimmed lots of wasted transparent pixels around.

the new overview lock works OK so far (maybe increase the lock time a little bit?). You can select what you intended to select. However i liked the permalock more. Would be nice if we could choose in the options between permalock on mouseover or delayed lock on mousemove.

+1 good work

Concerning Crucible 1.2.1 Client Update including #1:

It seems, that CCP has done it a little bit better. But really.. What I do not understand is, WHY do we need that useless irritating machanism that you call "Overview Lock"? It is crap. Really daft sh!t. If I wish to lock my overview I have used the "STRG" button on my keyboard. This was more then adequate since now. Why an additionally -each other restraining- tool like this mouseOver lock??
If you like it.. fine.. but I hate it as hell and wish to be able to turn this crap off - for ever!
You should try to implement a checkbox within the ESC-Menue or the menue of the overview, which disables this mouseovercrapthing.

Furthermore it is not possible to sort my overview as it was- before you began this botch with my overview.
I need a sorting like that (according Icons):
1. Station
2. Acceleration Gates
2. NPC / Player / Enemy
3. Wracks
4. LCO
5. all other

Till now; I have a really mess of all kind of symbols / types in a arbitrary hierarchy and it looks like that: My Overview
You can see, that nothing is correct. The big station is on a wrong position in my overview; no distance matches to each other but my small drones are on top of my view, and why where this three small enemy frigs seperated from the rest of the group in my overview- seperated through some wrecks?

The sorting is badly broken. Please CCP: think about implementing a mechanism that enables me to set a hierarchy in the menue of the overview so that I can REALLY sort my things. Please Please Please.

And now something whereof i was really happy; The blinking frequency is as good as it was before. Thank you.
You have done it a little bit better; but unfortunately the result is far awy from beeing perfect.

Well, either way I'm finding it hard to read when before I had no problems with it. Sigh.

Also, the new overview seems to refresh a lot slower then the old one. Targets are appearing in space sometimes almost a full second before they appear on the overview. Makes catching people on gates that much harder.

My new overview wish list:
Faster refreshing
Ability to disable mouse-over lock completely
"Medium" font. Normal font is too big, small font is too small, imo. Frankly, I just want a font that's the same size as the font used in the rest of the UI, not a choice between one that is larger and one that is smaller.

I have vid probs as well.... started after an update a good few months ago... basically when I tab out of EVE into another app the colours are all corrupted. If I Ctrl + Alt, Del then cancel in the pop up it all returns to normal.

As an aside my F1, F2, F3 no longer works correctly.... it seems to do both the EVE function and the PC's set up functions... I deleted all the PC ones (F1 opens word etc) and the found the in EVE functions ceased working as well :-(

Win 7 by the way.

+1

This patch makes the overview a worst tool than it was before, as simple a that.

Please fix the overview´s lag asap. It makes imposible to takle small targets before they jumps, makes instalocking ships useless, kills piracy and makes small combat ops a worst experience.

I'll try to put in perspective what I've thought obvious, but perhaps not well explained on my part for considering someone is understanding what the hell we're referring to: (Yeah, PROBABLY NOT!)

Say you are an FC in a medium sized roaming gang that decides to set up a gate camp for incoming group.
1. How the hell are you supposed to impart instructions and expect them to be executed if not all your pilots have similar, if not the same information on their overview? Don't you think the overview's behavior must be settings-dependent instead of input-reacting? What makes you think all pilots should do exactly the same in terms of input? Have you noticed this is not a trigger for a module from which you expect something precise to happen when you push it?
2. Do you consider it logical that the FC must include a "check your overview hovering" instruction every now and then to ensure his tactic is being understood or followed? Because with this current re-patch, that's exactly what's happening. Which leads to the next question: WHY DO YOU NEED COLLATERAL INSTRUCTIONS AND ACTIONS TO EXECUTE WHAT WAS RUNNING WELL WITHIN THE GAME? Is this the objective? to have the users to rely on third parties to play the game?
3. Why do you expect that all the pilots in a roam should play your choreography so their overview is sorted?
4. What if a pilot is hovering on the overview searching for a called target that may or may not be broadcasted? He loses the ship, maybe.. what if it's a dedicated specialty ship which effectivity is crucial to assure holding ground?.. Do we have a right to petition this? again: (Yeah, PROBABLY NOT!)

Now it happens that being a good pilot is not enough.. having accurate and effective fittings is not enough.. making the players dress up their avatars like barbies doesn't seem to be enough...(the list goes on) Now, not even being naturally and logically moving your mouse seems to be enough. Yeah currently, you have to forget that TO FIND SOMETHING IN THE OVERVIEW YOU MUST LOOK FOR IT WITHIN THE OVERVIEW!.. What part of this is not clear or logical for any of you?... How can you even consider that to look for something in the OV, you have to get out of it? DO YOU REALLY DON'T GET IT?

Stop trying to negotiate the issue and make it a SETTING! not an INPUT-DEPENDENT reaction.

Look, your idea is good and maybe works for multiple scenarios and we all appreciate the effort but please listen!

This is just a sample.. could you please, figure out yourselves other possible scenarios on which speed of information makes your input-reaction model something NOT DESIRABLE because is just plain ridiculous?

I like that you are trying to address the concerns with the overview, but please, make the mouse over lock nonsense optional. When turned off return CTRL to its previous function of locking the overview and locking targets on LMB.

I dont care how its done, you introduced stupid shortcuts and broke this functionality with things that most people dont use.

Go back to the drawing board, fix overview functionality and the CTRL key and start again on shortcuts without destroying crucial modifier keys like CTRL.

Thanks.

EDIT - Also, regarding the new red-box and yellow-box animation. I understand that you have revamped the animations so that red flashes are more noticeable on a red background. But why not just make the icon column have a non-coloured background?

Keep the rest of the overview background colour options as is, but instead of having new glaring slow-throbbing animations in icon column to be noticeable over the background colours, just remove background colours from just that narrow column and it would always be perfectly clear.

Wow. Just.... wow.

So you saw the feedback saying "Overview lock on mouseover is causing problems!", and instead of simply giving us a toggle for it - which was the most common request in this thread - or following the steps outlined here, you make the UI behaviour even more random and unpredictable. Great ******* job!!

Really, I tried to be constructive, I tried to give you feedback you could work with.. but if this is the result, then my reply is: Take this ******** change and shove it up your asses.

I hope this procedure is easier to follow.