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Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2012-02-21 17:00:20 UTC
The only time I ever jump in low sec is to wait for a null-sec gate camp to move on or if I'm just passing through.

All faction warfare seems to have brought is an easy way to organize pirate gangs.

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Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#22 - 2012-02-21 17:03:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Muad 'dib
Fredfredbug4 wrote:

All faction warfare seems to have brought is an easy way to organize pirate gangs.


This is born from a nessesity of defence FROM roaming low sec/0.0 and pirate gangs.

That neutral drake might be passing through, or he might call in his buddys after agressing somone - militia have learnt to kill first somtimes.

dont blame FW techniques and adapting with just living in low sec

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Elessa Enaka
Doomheim
#23 - 2012-02-21 17:04:37 UTC
Ryder 3vyn wrote:
OP is a coward for not going out and PvPing in the first plance and instead whining about how the established corps won't let him join them... dude, grow a pair of balls and go solo or something, Jesus, it's not that hard to kill an enemy tackler and warp away...

I mean why would a hardcore, dedicated, extremely active militia corp let you join? They have absolutely no knowledge about your playstyle and they want people who are going to be as dedicated to the fight as they are, they don't want to let someone join who is going to die once and give up. They want someone like them, not some gung-ho kid with no experience.

If you don't like the "clique" why do you want to join them?


Allow me to spell this out for you

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Now tell me to take my corp along and I'll reply that we are pretty much all in the same boat, we come from carebear roots and are looking to "HTFU" without being asshat pirates.

We joined FW since we thought that it would be the more welcoming option between FW and 0.0, I guess we were wrong.

Devour to survive, so it is, so it's always been Eve is a great game if you can get past all of the asshats....
TheBreadMuncher
Protus Correction Facility Inc.
#24 - 2012-02-21 17:09:52 UTC
EDIT: How did I end up posting in the wrong thread...?

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Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-02-21 17:14:38 UTC
raging doesnt help.

ever.

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Azriel Geist
Pure Victory
#26 - 2012-02-21 17:20:18 UTC
Confirming the rest of Eve corps are not cliques either. Roll
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Doomheim
#27 - 2012-02-21 17:30:59 UTC
Elessa Enaka wrote:
TBH, it seems like 50% the militia are little more than pirates, 25% are all cliqued up worse than high school kids, 20% are just in FW for the missions and then the last 5% are probably the only real spies present (with false accusations flying at everyone who isn't in the cliqued up 25%).

Your percentages are a little off, but other than that I fully agree with this.

In the "elite" FW corps there is little to no interest in flying with people from less established corporations.
People would rather do 10 jumps to kills some neutral T3 than jump to the next system to fight the enemy militia. It is like the enemy militia does not exist to them, systems just flip and nobody cares.
Caretaking Sunofabitcch Quigglywobbl
Fulmar's Anti-Caldari Club
#28 - 2012-02-21 17:55:25 UTC
If u can't get into a decent FW corp, then maybe u shouldn't be there just yet. Nobody wants mr nooby pants asking wat a "point" is every 10seconds when there's a target to kill.

best advise I can give, is join a small nullsec corp. There's lot of decent places you can be at 2mil SP mark. Then you'll be swept up into a coalition w/o knowing, or something similar. Then you'll profit gradually, earning respect and experience, with a nice dollop of kills along the way.

Then ofc there is the facepalm of problem that is this thread. Which you'd have to beg CCP to remove. I for example always check people's posts, just to make sure they aren't some crack addled maniac, with broom up their arse...

..but this is an alt, so prolly a wise move. I always think if i'm posting on an alt, maybe I shouldn't be posting at all...... Idea

Nobody said eve was easy.
arcca jeth
Dark Alliance
#29 - 2012-02-21 18:50:03 UTC
In EVE, everyone is a spy, doesn't matter what type of gameplay you are into, you're still a spy, even if your not lol
Deen Wispa
Sheriff.
United Caldari Space Command.
#30 - 2012-02-21 19:06:26 UTC
Oh my. This thread gave me lolz. OP needs to get some balls and just go learn to solo some fights without waiting on other people for handouts

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#31 - 2012-02-21 19:47:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
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Now tell me to take my corp along and I'll reply that we are pretty much all in the same boat, we come from carebear roots and are looking to "HTFU" without being asshat pirates.


The term pirate, and who you apply it to, usually depends on which end of the weapon you are on.

The "neutral" Tengu a group goes after could well be a known pirate, fleet booster, or set of eyes for the enemy militia.

Or he simply could be someone who mouthed off to the local "powers that be" one too many times.

Then again, he could simply be an innocent but wealthy victim targeted by an unethical FW Fleet Commander.

Just because it's FW doesn't mean that pilots striving to attain command position will have to automatically follow some sort of honor code. It's up to the FW organization itself to self police, if it is so inclined.

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Hainnz
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2012-02-21 19:49:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Hainnz
You say your corp joined FW right? So I'll assume there is some interest corp-wide. If so, then just do things in-house for a while. Get a stealth bomber and a few T1 frigs together and chain L1-2 FW missions and do minor plexes, keeping an eye out for enemy militia (and any other flashy red types you might want to go after).

You won't be making too much isk, but you'll make some. Main thing is you are out there looking. You'll find some fights you can win if you are patient and practice getting the jump on solo enemy missioners.

Once you get used to things, start asking in militia chat for others to join your frig fleet. You will get some takers. After a while people should get comfortable with you and you guys will get invites to the main fleets, if that's what you want.

You ain't missing much tbh. You'll prob have more fun with your in-corp frig roams.
Bischopt
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2012-02-21 20:03:42 UTC
Elessa Enaka wrote:
You cry and complain about wanting to grow the FW community and then when a corp decides to take the plunge you call them spies and ostracize them.

How in the bloody ******* hell does this make any goddamn sense at all?

Jesus Christ, is it any ******* wonder most of the Minmatar Militia do little more than ***** FW missions? (The other militias probably do the same too, IDK)

TBH, it seems like 50% the militia are little more than pirates, 25% are all cliqued up worse than high school kids, 20% are just in FW for the missions and then the last 5% are probably the only real spies present (with false accusations flying at everyone who isn't in the cliqued up 25%).

If I knew it was this bad, I wouldn't have enlisted my corp, ****, I may still just pull up stakes and move us to 0.0 for ***** and giggles.


Like someone already said, nobody (that counts) is crying about wanting to grow the FW community. Most FW pilots have been there for a long while and they're simply not interested in new people who cant handle themselves.

It's that simple.

Also you're right about the missioners. FW has a metric fuckton of mission whores who have nothing to do with FW itself (which is something that should be fixed, imo).

If you want to get into fleets, getting kills is the right way. Not whining on the forums.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#34 - 2012-02-21 20:20:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Petrus Blackshell
Lookit me, posting with my FW main, in a corp I started and joined FW with. I'm sure you can do it too, OP. Just try harder.

I don't know what caused this amount of butthurt, OP, but some FW tips:

  • Don't depend on the Militia channel. There is no trust to be had there. It's full of spies.
  • Until you get a bit of a name for yourself, expect to be treated with skepticism. This is true everywhere in Eve -- trading, alliances, FW, and weird businesses like lotteries and other gambling.
  • Those who are clueless are best off not starting corps, but rather joining existing ones and learning how things work. I was part of TRIAD, and before that, plain TLF before starting Rifterlings.
  • You have to prove yourself/your corp. A corp with only newbies and no killboard record smells of "spy". Get a few kills to start with, and prove you're actually hurting the enemy militia and more people will want to fly with you.
  • Don't look down on piracy too much. Oftentimes neutrals are friends with the enemy, or even alts. This wasn't piracy. There are surprisingly few "innocent" people in lowsec.


tl;dr, starting a FW corp is hard, and nobody owes you anything. You have to give others a reason to want to work with you, other than just being in the same militia.

Some specific tips, as it sounds like your main is in the Minmatar militia:


  • Set Adolf Ehrntooth and his corp red for your whole corp. He uses a mega-boosting Loki alt to give his ships uber advantages, and only engages on his own terms -- which means you are likely to lose.
  • Flyinghotpocket just happens to be a active pilot in the Amarr militia. Neither he nor his alts are outstandingly good, but he doesn't failfit and knows how to use his friends in ARETR to good effect.
  • Fly more cheap frigates.


And lastly, ganking is PvP. Blobs are surprisingly easy to avoid with proper scouting/intel, and a big part of PvP (as big as fitting and the combat itself) is picking your target right, and if things look like they are going to go badly, GTFO. If you see two Dramiels in bound for the minor plex in which you are sitting in two Rifters, don't die then whine about being ganked. Get out and blueball those Dramiels.

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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#35 - 2012-02-21 20:37:17 UTC
After re-reading the thread, this is my advice: join a newbie-friendly corp with your buddies, be it in FW or not, and learn to PvP that way. PvP is not something you can figure out on the fly by just getting at it; you really need a mentor. When you have no record of past activity, and no experience on top of that, most people you will find PvPing (in FW and elsewhere) won't want to be bothered with babysitting you and teaching you every step. This is especially true as they don't owe you anything as you're not in their corp.

If you were USTZ I would invite you to join Rifterlings, which is a newbie-friendly FW corp (and we also provide free frigates to die in while learning to PvP), but after a ragethread like this I'm not sure I need someone like you.

Or, you know, you could take your newbie corp and go to 0.0 as you wish, but you will only find more death and derision there. Feel free.

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SigmaPi
Ambivalent Inc
Coney Island Ski Club
#36 - 2012-02-21 20:46:21 UTC
You just need to learn who to talk to, mate. It's all about the who in FW.
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#37 - 2012-02-21 20:52:13 UTC
Elessa Enaka wrote:


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Obvious spy is obvious. You clearly copied this directly off the secret decoder ring.

Also the guy who said something about "street cred" is a spy. There are no streets in Eve!

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#38 - 2012-02-21 20:58:14 UTC
You might be better off joining an existing faction war corp that is taking on players new to pvp. Sometimes people are willing to invest time to train people if they think that they can grow a corp. But other than that very few pilots in low sec will want their gang numbers inflated by people who don't have a clue as to what they are doing. Nor are many people interested in taking lots of time to train people who are not even in their corp. I mean you will find that from time to time but most people are online to have fun themselves not babysit strangers.

Or you can just try to figure it out yourself. Its not that hard. Take out some different ships and see what you can kill. If you get killed try to look at the fits those who killed you were flying and try to figure out why they could kill you.


Also if you are interested in pvp but you are new then I would say allot of null sec corps and alliances might be better options. Low sec pvp often involves fights where the skills of the individual pilots can effect the outcome.

On the other hand the warfare in allot of null sec spaces just need another warm body to put in a ship. No skill is required for what they do.

You might want to look at test alliance or spacemonkey alliance. They take allot of new pilots.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Alaekessa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
#39 - 2012-02-21 21:59:01 UTC
The rage in this thread is absolutely epic, though I must admit that I have recently found myself in a somewhat similar situation. My corp and I (a fairly small gathering of friends from varied FPS and IRL) have recently joined Minmatar FW (IIRC, it was within 1-3 days of the "Alliances may now join FW" update). We too, are a small group who've been tested little as far as PVP is concerned and we sought to gain experience through joining the Militia.

I found that the Militia is not as open as I had hoped or had been led by my assumptions to believe. I will be the first to admit that I made a couple of social gaffes (again due to my assumptions of openness). I agree with some of the OPs observations and I too have been offended by actions/words of some of my fellow FW comrades, though as others have said, take initiative. I have participated in a fleet or two (got inon somekills too) and even started one of my own when it seemed that no one else would step up. I have also had the experience of being in a fleet where I was apparently always 3 jumps behind the rest of the fleet.

I realize that my feeble killboard is nothing to brag about (not a final blow to my name and my ships are probably failfit), but the point is that I have been trying to do my part. Granted I am not out there every night hunting WTs, but nevertheless I am participating when not trying to juggle all of the other things that my corp is involved in.

I would be more than happy to fleet up with any fellow Republic Militia members

OP, whoever your main is, you need to do something for yourself if you're not happy with your situation, forum rage never effects any change other than to sour peoples opinion of you.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#40 - 2012-02-21 22:10:34 UTC
Alaekessa wrote:
~good stuff~


Holy crap, a newbie with the right attitude on the forums? Who'd have thought!

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