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One EVE, One Vote, One Chairman: Why You Should Vote For The Mittani For CSM

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Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
#161 - 2012-02-21 08:16:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Reilly Duvolle
Jita Alt666 wrote:


1. For what purpose did you post that here? it contributes nothing to your argument and detracts nothing from the argument of rationality.
2. It was just (less than 15 minutes ago) posted on Evenews24 feel free to acknowledge your real source.


I feel free to acknowledge my real source as kugu. I usually have it up, although lately the shitposting on that site has reached new levels of bad. So yesterday I actually killed the side to let my brain recover a bit.

Im sure I'll see the EN24 update when i start my feedler on my phone later. Usually I dont bother with EN24 on my computer. But its more readable than Kugu on a small screen. Isnt their source Kugu as well though? It usually is.
Berke Negri
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#162 - 2012-02-21 08:19:41 UTC
Reilly Duvolle wrote:
This just in, courtesy of Kugu:

"I’m the only GSF candidate this time; Vile Rat is sick of Iceland. We’re going to need a metric fuckload of votes to secure the Chairmanship and - ideally - an indisputable mandate. I’d like to see us be able to c&p a ridiculous vote total as a one-line reply to every shitbird eve-o poster whining about us for the next year".

The Mittani, State of the Goonion, Feb 20, 2012.

That'll shut me up, i'm sure Big smile

tell us more about the sick intel you get from EVE UNCENSORED
Jita Alt666
#163 - 2012-02-21 08:19:43 UTC
So it took you longer than 2 hours and 20 posts to make the connection and then post something random about the CSM that was in the blog?
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#164 - 2012-02-21 08:19:52 UTC
Nicely put..

However i will not vote anyone.. It is against my personal "believes".
Ai Shun
#165 - 2012-02-21 08:21:14 UTC
Grumpy Owly wrote:
Ai Shun wrote:
But I get annoyed when people make allegations without proof, slander people and then dance amongst the flowers as if they don't smell like ****.


I can see having a rational argument with some people might be impossible.

When it comes to development of a game I pay for, meta interests are very relevant especially when it neglects certain portions of the playerbase.

Depsite that you ask for confirmation of motivations, done, but don't project judgement on me to validate your own preferences as a result. Vote for who you like of course, no problem, I will do so likewise, but don't raise certain CSM members up to be objective as an argument when clearly they are not.


Apologies; I should have been clearer that my dancing-amongst-flowers comment was intended for Reilly; not for you.

As to objective; I am not raising Mittani as objective. I do think, of all that I have seen, he has the best grasp of EVE Online as a whole and his intentions appear to be to boost the game as a whole, to take the fight to CCP and to ensure CCP does what is best for the game. He will have null-sec related issues he will raise. It is inevitable.

However, my core argument here has been of one of motivations attributed without proof. Reilly is; essentially, putting words into his mouth that there is no proof of. I don't like that.
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
#166 - 2012-02-21 08:24:15 UTC
Jita Alt666 wrote:
So it took you longer than 2 hours and 20 posts to make the connection and then post something random about the CSM that was in the blog?


Huh? I just opened it 10 minutes ago. I usually check out the "Goonswarm Federation: The Last Bastion Of True "Literature" Chat" thread, among others. I just loved that quote.

Does it actually matter?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#167 - 2012-02-21 08:30:42 UTC
Wow.

At this point, I really feel like my “think of the dentists” remark was spot on — I just didn't grep that it was Psychonauts-style dentists I was talking about… Ugh
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
#168 - 2012-02-21 08:33:02 UTC
Ai Shun wrote:


However, my core argument here has been of one of motivations attributed without proof. Reilly is; essentially, putting words into his mouth that there is no proof of. I don't like that.


I am of the opinion that his intentions are less than honest.
I am of the opinion that he works for the Goons, and only the Goons (as he have said repetadely he does).
And I am of the opinion that I can post this on the forum even if you dont like it.
Jita Alt666
#169 - 2012-02-21 08:34:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Jita Alt666
Reilly Duvolle wrote:
Jita Alt666 wrote:
So it took you longer than 2 hours and 20 posts to make the connection and then post something random about the CSM that was in the blog?


Huh? I just opened it 10 minutes ago. I usually check out the "Goonswarm Federation: The Last Bastion Of True "Literature" Chat" thread, among others. I just loved that quote.

Does it actually matter?


Thread derailment is often used as a device for an individual who knows s/he has bitten off more than they can chew to sidle out without admitting their position is untenable.

So does it matter? No.
Will you be able to distance yourself from your argument, that the only reason Mittani wants the nerf of Tech is out pure self interest in the short term even though:
It has been illustrated by goons posting that it is long term proposition they have been advocating since 2010
Logic determines that it was more in their interest in 2010 than it is now yet they still persist to advocate the change
Your original argument contains no factual evidence and is simply an inference that is out of context with history.

No, you won't be able to alter the topic until you have taken your soap box back to your captain's quarters.
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
#170 - 2012-02-21 08:39:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Reilly Duvolle
Jita Alt666 wrote:


Thread derailment is often used as a device for an individual who knows s/he has bitten off more than they can chew to sidle out without admitting their position is untenable.


Dont pin your **** posting practices on me

Jita Alt666 wrote:
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Will you be able to distance yourself from your argument, that the only reason Mittani wants the nerf of Tech is out pure self interest in the short term even though:
It has been illustrated by goons posting that it is long term proposition they have been advocating since 2010
Logic determines that it was more in their interest in 2010 than it is now yet they still persist to advocate the change
Your original argument contains no factual evidence and is simply an inference that is out of context with history.

No, you won't be able to alter the topic until you have taken your soap box back to your captain's quarters.


The only thing you prove is that they have been advocating tech nerfs when they are at a disadvantage. Which is kinda my point. you havent dug up anything from when they were at the top of the tech mountain.

My position is the same.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#171 - 2012-02-21 08:41:05 UTC
Reilly Duvolle wrote:
My position is the same.
I.e. unproven.
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
#172 - 2012-02-21 08:41:59 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Reilly Duvolle wrote:
My position is the same.
I.e. unproven.


Yes, as stated repeatedly Tippia, this is my opionion. Learn to ******* read.
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#173 - 2012-02-21 08:43:28 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Reilly Duvolle wrote:
My position is the same.
I.e. unproven.


There is no need for any kind of logic in "elections" .. any elections.. Because there is non.
Jita Alt666
#174 - 2012-02-21 08:44:16 UTC
Reilly Duvolle wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Reilly Duvolle wrote:
My position is the same.
I.e. unproven.


Yes, as stated repeatedly Tippia, this is my opionion. Learn to ******* read.


Ahh the rage is building. Perhaps Tippa you should have gone with Ill informed.
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
#175 - 2012-02-21 08:47:51 UTC
The Mittani is going to get re-elected of course, No doubt about it. And he is going to continue metagaming the CSM.

I am just hoping there will be people there that sees through his bullshit. Admittedly, those hopes are not very substantial.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#176 - 2012-02-21 08:53:04 UTC
Reilly Duvolle wrote:
Yes, as stated repeatedly Tippia, this is my opionion.
…which doesn't excuse it from being unproven, especially when it's being brandished as fact.

Are you more comfortable with “seemingly made from whole cloth”?

Quote:
And he is going to continue metagaming the CSM.
Even assuming that's true, what's the problem?
Jita Alt666
#177 - 2012-02-21 08:56:16 UTC
Reilly Duvolle wrote:
Jita Alt666 wrote:


Thread derailment is often used as a device for an individual who knows s/he has bitten off more than they can chew to sidle out without admitting their position is untenable.


Dont pin your **** posting practices on me

Jita Alt666 wrote:
.
Will you be able to distance yourself from your argument, that the only reason Mittani wants the nerf of Tech is out pure self interest in the short term even though:
It has been illustrated by goons posting that it is long term proposition they have been advocating since 2010
Logic determines that it was more in their interest in 2010 than it is now yet they still persist to advocate the change
Your original argument contains no factual evidence and is simply an inference that is out of context with history.

No, you won't be able to alter the topic until you have taken your soap box back to your captain's quarters.


The only thing you prove is that they have been advocating tech nerfs when they are at a disadvantage. Which is kinda my point. you havent dug up anything from when they were at the top of the tech mountain.

My position is the same.


Your implied position (over multiple posts) was that the Goons, afraid of the advantage "Tech Team" have via inferior Super Capital numbers and inferior Tech Moon holdings, are only attempting to nerf both so they can use their superior numbers in any upcoming confrontations.

Things you've ignored in your opinion forming 'analysis":
Goons were advocated for the nerfing of Tech 18months before the term "Tech Team" was coined.
Goons were advocating for the nerfing of Super Capitals 18 months before the term "Tech Team" was coined.

There may be a level of self interest involved, however to argue that Mittani is only advocating out of self interest for an upcoming conflict with the "Tech Team" is pretty clearly a falsehood.

By the way when were Goons top of the Tech Pile?
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
#178 - 2012-02-21 08:58:17 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Even assuming that's true, what's the problem?


Are you serious?

Are you seriously asking why a player elected body who are there to represent the playerbase dealing with CCP to the benefit of EVE Online the game, is instead used as a vehicle to further CSM members in game interests?

Because if you dont see that as a problem, you and I are definitly not playing the same game.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#179 - 2012-02-21 09:01:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Reilly Duvolle wrote:
Are you seriously asking why a player elected body who are there to represent the playerbase dealing with CCP to the benefit of EVE Online the game, is instead used as a vehicle to further CSM members in game interests?
You are assuming that, in furthering his/their own interests, he's not representing the player base. Why is that?

So yes, what's the problem, should it even be true to begin with, especially since you admit that his interest is actually good for the game as a whole…?
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
#180 - 2012-02-21 09:02:43 UTC
Jita Alt666 wrote:


Things you've ignored in your opinion forming 'analysis":
Goons were advocated for the nerfing of Tech 18months before the term "Tech Team" was coined.
Goons were advocating for the nerfing of Super Capitals 18 months before the term "Tech Team" was coined.

There may be a level of self interest involved, however to argue that advocating Mittani is only out of self interest for an upcoming conflict with the "Tech Team" is pretty clearly a falsehood.

By the way when were Goons top of the Tech Pile?



Goons were advocating nerfing tech when they had none, or was at a disadvantage versus ther enemies. After they took over Deklein with its tech, and before the **** went down with the NC, I cant see anywhere anything proving they wanted to nerf tech.