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Hisec ore vs mineral income spreadsheet. Compares refining income to plain ore

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Amadeu
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2011-12-14 21:04:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Amadeu
For anyone that can use it.

I'm positive that tons of these are written and posted out there, but I wasn't able to find one that showed everything I was interested in. Specifically, there are several that show refined income, but none that I found showed a comparison of pre vs post-refining income.

For extra convenience, I added columns to display projected income per Jet Can (27,500 m3) & Orca (182,714 m3.)

I'm interested in feedback from others more experienced with google docs. I'd like to set up so that anyone viewing can enter a custom m3 storage amount, but not alter the rest of the sheet. Unfortunately, I haven't quite figured out that part yet. Seems like the sheet itself completely publicly editable, or not at all.

Anyone got any easy fix/ workaround?

Also, the prices currently pull from EveCentral and show the highest buy order price for The Forge, which is where I'm usually selling. I'd love to put in a drop down menu that lists all 67 regions and alters the variables to show prices based on which a viewer picks.

Constructive Blink criticism welcome!

Hi-Sec Ore vs Mineral Income Calculator

Hope that it helps out others.
Enjoy!
Jack Traynor
Doomheim
#2 - 2011-12-14 22:39:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Jack Traynor
Looks interesting... No legend; what are the blue vs red horizontal bars in the bar graph indicate?

And maybe a *separate* set of fields for people to put in their own ore/mineral prices in the event they're outside the trade hubs so they can do their own analysis of local trade vs. trade with transport costs?
Amadeu
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2011-12-15 01:11:37 UTC
Updated the chart a little. It's a shame that Google only provides a couple of ways to set up charts. I couldn't get the legend to show in the maximized setting, so I switched it over to a version that shows a legend.

The blue bars are how much you get for selling the minerals from a refined m3 of that ore type, the red bars represent what you'd receive for a m3 of the unrefined ore. Also, in the columns above, anytime you would make more on an ore type by NOT refining it, the price difference block for that entry shows red as well.
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#4 - 2011-12-15 04:28:25 UTC
Amadeu wrote:

Also, the prices currently pull from EveCentral and show the highest buy order price for The Forge, which is where I'm usually selling. I'd love to put in a drop down menu that lists all 67 regions and alters the variables to show prices based on which a viewer picks.


What you'll find by using EC/EMD/EMK data is that:

- The Forge (or any of the market hub regions) often has people who muck with the values. Either by putting up fake buy orders (margin trading scams) or by putting up very high sell orders in order to break the average sell price. In my calculations, I generally take an average of the (4) market hub regions rather then rely on any single market hub price.

- I also prefer to use a "5% buy sim" price (buying the 5% of the market volume, then calculating the price) over just taking a "highest/lowest" value. While the 5% buy/sell sim prices can be gamed, it's a bit harder to do so when it comes to items that trade in very large volumes (like minerals).

- Other then the (4) main market hub regions (Forge, Domain, Heimatar, Sinq Laison), the sites like EC/EMK/EMD tend to have very spotty data. There's not enough people out there who run the market scanner and upload results nightly (or even a few times per week). So trying to let people pick any of the 67 regions probably won't work, while letting them pick the top 4 market regions would be better.

http://www.evemarketeer.com/statistics/regions
http://eve-marketdata.com/reports.php?step=UploadStats&type=market

Those (2) links should give you a feel for how spotty the data is across various regions. It's improving, and the new upload client at the EVEMarketeer site feeds all (3) of the major price sites now (EC/EMK/EMD), so there's potential there that all of the sites should get better data on average.
Amadeu
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2011-12-15 05:59:45 UTC
Thanks a ton for the advice, info, and links!

I'll keep those four in mind when I start polishing it up. Plus I'm sure it'll be a ton quicker to set up for four hubs, vice sixty-plus.
gundofox
MK2 Enterprises
#6 - 2012-02-17 19:02:56 UTC
Wow, this tool is brilliant...
I was thinking about to trying to make a spreadsheet like this myself but was struggling getting going, this is just amazing.

Im assuming that if I download an excel version Ill be able to amend any mineral values to match wherever I am in game...

Thanks a lot for this...

Jacob Lyon Chieve
Sanguis Mortem Industrial
#7 - 2012-02-17 20:19:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Jacob Lyon Chieve
I prefer to use the following XML pull for the value of items - Tritanium is used in the example:
=ImportXML(ʺhttp://www.evemarketeer.com/api/station_info/34/xmlʺ;ʺ//row/buy_highest5ʺ)

This way, you are calculating based on the highest 5 buy orders - and if the top buy order is a scam, the other 4 balance it out. This pulls Jita M4 pricing only, based on EMK defaults.

Good sheet though, other than the math bit above. I assume it's based on a 100% yield for refining?

Need to know how much ore to mine in order to yield a certain order of minerals? https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=67477 It will even calculate how long you can expect for it to take!

Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#8 - 2012-02-19 13:17:54 UTC
Jacob Lyon Chieve wrote:
I prefer to use the following XML pull for the value of items - Tritanium is used in the example:
=ImportXML(ʺhttp://www.evemarketeer.com/api/station_info/34/xmlʺ;ʺ//row/buy_highest5ʺ)

This way, you are calculating based on the highest 5 buy orders - and if the top buy order is a scam, the other 4 balance it out. This pulls Jita M4 pricing only, based on EMK defaults.


It's not the highest 5 buy orders, it's the top 5% of all buy order volume. If there are buy orders for a total of 1 million units of Tritanium, then it calculates a price based on a simulated sell of 50,000 units of Tritanium to the buy orders.

buy_highest5 : the average price of the top 5% of the buy market

For very high volume items, with narrow margins, buy_highest5 is not a bad thing to use. But for any product where the buy orders are significantly below sell price, the sell_lowest5 is a better price to use. Products sold to end-users usually have very large gaps between buy/sell unless someone is competing in the market. Raw materials tend to have narrower margins as manufacturers compete over obtaining their supply of inputs.
Amadeu
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-02-21 04:05:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Amadeu
Thanks for the responses all. I've been so busy playing lately that I haven't looked at the boards in quite a while. I was contacted in game the other day by gundofox about the chart and thanks to that feedback adjusted the refine amount on regular Omber. It was 10 Trit units too high.

Also, I went ahead and added a tab covering Sinq Liason for him only to find out that google docs has a maximum number of HML links allowed in a spreadsheet. So I made a fresh copy covering Sinq. While I was at it I adjusted the formulas for Average Sell amounts rather than highs and lows. I'm considering breaking the charts up into one per major trade hub with tabs inside of each to reflect the high, low, and average sell amounts.

Here's the link:

Highsec Ore Refine Calculator for Sinq Liason

And as always, enjoy and thanks a ton for the feedback, tips, and enthusiasm.

Ama
Amadeu
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-02-21 04:14:20 UTC
Scrapyard Bob wrote:
Jacob Lyon Chieve wrote:
I prefer to use the following XML pull for the value of items - Tritanium is used in the example:
=ImportXML(ʺhttp://www.evemarketeer.com/api/station_info/34/xmlʺ;ʺ//row/buy_highest5ʺ)

This way, you are calculating based on the highest 5 buy orders - and if the top buy order is a scam, the other 4 balance it out. This pulls Jita M4 pricing only, based on EMK defaults.


It's not the highest 5 buy orders, it's the top 5% of all buy order volume. If there are buy orders for a total of 1 million units of Tritanium, then it calculates a price based on a simulated sell of 50,000 units of Tritanium to the buy orders.

buy_highest5 : the average price of the top 5% of the buy market

For very high volume items, with narrow margins, buy_highest5 is not a bad thing to use. But for any product where the buy orders are significantly below sell price, the sell_lowest5 is a better price to use. Products sold to end-users usually have very large gaps between buy/sell unless someone is competing in the market. Raw materials tend to have narrower margins as manufacturers compete over obtaining their supply of inputs.



Thanks for the info! With this in mind, I am definitely going to end up splitting the sheets into one per major hub. I should be able to squeeze in 3 tabs to cover buy_highest5, avg, and sell_lowest5.
After I get the tabs pulled together in a manner I'll see if there are any chart templates that can compare that many variables without looking like complete crap. If so I'll place it full page in tab 1 as the default view and leave the option to check through the numbers in the back three sheets for anyone that wants to verify/copy the coding or double check my math.
Amadeu
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-02-21 07:47:35 UTC
Well that wasn't too bad at all.

A little bit of trouble with getting the coding right when I switched from EVE Central to EVE Marketeer XML calls, but once I looked it up, it was cake.

Here are some new toys for all of you that are interested. I've made one sheet for each of the 4 major trade hubs and put nice big pretty graphs on the coversheet. For a quick comparison across the board, I kept one open in each of 4 browser tabs and switched through them for a nice overview of the base ores' market across the Galaxy.


Domain
Hiematar
Sinq Liason
The Forge


Fly safe!
Ama