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One EVE, One Vote, One Chairman: Why You Should Vote For The Mittani For CSM

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#81 - 2012-02-21 02:56:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
Reilly Duvolle wrote:
Anyone with basic reading comprehension, looking at Kugu and Dotlan, can put together a reasonably good map proving my point.

I cannot do it, because I am "biased". If I did, and posted my findings, the Goon propaganda machine would still find ways to discredit it.

But the data is there, for anyone interested in the thruth.


fyi, there is way more tech in venal than in some northern sov regions combined

also, i pity you if you take anything on kugu with more than a grain of salt

and if you think that the moon data on dotlan is anywhere near accurate, i have a bridgetitan to sell you

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar

Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
#82 - 2012-02-21 03:31:47 UTC
Andski wrote:
Reilly Duvolle wrote:
Anyone with basic reading comprehension, looking at Kugu and Dotlan, can put together a reasonably good map proving my point.

I cannot do it, because I am "biased". If I did, and posted my findings, the Goon propaganda machine would still find ways to discredit it.

But the data is there, for anyone interested in the thruth.


fyi, there is way more tech in venal than in some northern sov regions combined

also, i pity you if you take anything on kugu with more than a grain of salt

and if you think that the moon data on dotlan is anywhere near accurate, i have a bridgetitan to sell you


getting nervous allready are you?
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#83 - 2012-02-21 03:35:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
Reilly Duvolle wrote:
Andski wrote:
Reilly Duvolle wrote:
Anyone with basic reading comprehension, looking at Kugu and Dotlan, can put together a reasonably good map proving my point.

I cannot do it, because I am "biased". If I did, and posted my findings, the Goon propaganda machine would still find ways to discredit it.

But the data is there, for anyone interested in the thruth.


fyi, there is way more tech in venal than in some northern sov regions combined

also, i pity you if you take anything on kugu with more than a grain of salt

and if you think that the moon data on dotlan is anywhere near accurate, i have a bridgetitan to sell you


getting nervous allready are you?


my post clearly showed no end of anxiety from what is obviously my impending defeat to well-known good poster Reilly Duvolle, the roleplayer who has horrible sources and draws conclusions without evidence

now stop dodging my question because you look dumb, or at least admit that I cornered you

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar

Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
#84 - 2012-02-21 03:43:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Reilly Duvolle
Andski wrote:
Reilly Duvolle wrote:
Andski wrote:
Reilly Duvolle wrote:
Anyone with basic reading comprehension, looking at Kugu and Dotlan, can put together a reasonably good map proving my point.

I cannot do it, because I am "biased". If I did, and posted my findings, the Goon propaganda machine would still find ways to discredit it.

But the data is there, for anyone interested in the thruth.


fyi, there is way more tech in venal than in some northern sov regions combined

also, i pity you if you take anything on kugu with more than a grain of salt

and if you think that the moon data on dotlan is anywhere near accurate, i have a bridgetitan to sell you


getting nervous allready are you?


my post clearly showed no end of anxiety from what is obviously my impending defeat to well-known good poster Reilly Duvolle, the roleplayer who has horrible sources and draws conclusions without evidence

now stop dodging my question because you look dumb, or at least admit that I cornered you


What I see is a Goon trying to discredit any source an investigator without access to internal alliance documents from either side can use to determine fact within reason. Thus discrediting any conclusion before it is even made public.
Jonathan Malcom
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#85 - 2012-02-21 03:51:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonathan Malcom
Marlona Sky wrote:
Every goon is going to blindly vote for The Mittani simply because he is thier leader.


People actually believe this.

So here's a secret. In Test, we voted on who we wanted our candidate to be. Once Dovi won, our alliance leadership recommended that everyone vote for him. But we can vote for whomever we choose.

Now, don't get me wrong. Dovi is an awesome fellow and will make a damn fine CSM member.

But I don't have to vote for him. Just like no one in GSF has to vote for Mittens.

In fact, if Dovi weren't running, I would vote for Mittens. Not out of purported mindless loyalty to the CFC or GSF in particular, but because he knows his **** and gets things done.

I realize it's hard to accept that the horrible null-sec blocs aren't just following orders like complacent sheep. It may not have even occured to you that we vote for our candidates because we like them and we support what they stand for.

But by all means, continue to spew misinformation and bile in your apoplectic rage.
Valentyn3
Deep Core Mining Inc.
#86 - 2012-02-21 03:55:28 UTC
Jonathan Malcom wrote:


But by all means, continue to spew misinformation and bile in your apoplectic rage.


I would but my doctor tells me no more bile spewing 'till the transplant takes hold.

I don't always use hax. But when I do, it's because I'm an NPC.. http://i.imgur.com/PUZou.jpg

Minabunny
Bogus Brothers Corporation
#87 - 2012-02-21 03:57:50 UTC
I'll vote for whomever wants the worthless title the least.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#88 - 2012-02-21 03:58:08 UTC
Reilly Duvolle wrote:

What I see is a Goon trying to discredit any source an investigator without access to internal alliance documents from either side can use to determine fact within reason. Thus discrediting any conclusion before it is even made public.


My friend, regrettably no alliance is going to provide technetium moon data to rebut unsubstantiated allegations. Likewise, I cannot release our data, besides the public figure that Goonswarm owns 67 technetium moons. However, naturally you would be unwilling to accept any data we presented: mere lists of moons can easily be faked. We can, however, rely on the 67 technetium moon number because we've always been open about our finances. These 67 technetium moons produce over 700b isk each month.

This is a substantial amount of technetium income: we would most likely be unable to match it in any post-nerf scenario.

But, more importantly, you have unfortunately had your impression of 0.0 politics fed to you from rivini, a man well-known to be so easily trolled into posting hilariously incorrect information. This is not your fault: you merely did the best you could with the hand you were dealt. But we must look at the facts. Goonswarm is scrooge mcduck rich, earning so much money each month i am compelled to save because i simply cannot spend it fast enough. Yet despite this, we have advocated for a technetium nerf from the beginning, even as we owned one of the most tech-rich conquerable regions in the game, even as the CFC has steadily increased its tech holdings. Technetium alliances no longer act as a bloc: the CFC and Goonswarm have a firm alliance. But, let us look at the most recent technetium war, the fall of Branch: the complete lack of interest any alliance showed for defending White Noise demonstrates the misguided vision you have of 0.0 politics.

And despite all this, despite the fact that as a supercapital-light alliance (because we grow our own supercap pilots, we do not recruit them) we need the money more than anyone, The Mittani has tirelessly advocated for a technetium nerf to level the playing field in 0.0 and restore value to the 3/4ths of the game that have no technetium.

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.

Nikodiemus
Ganja Clade
Shadow Cartel
#89 - 2012-02-21 04:14:27 UTC
Mittens is too busy getting paid by POS MMO magazines and web sites to post his own garbage?
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
#90 - 2012-02-21 04:23:17 UTC
Weaselior wrote:

My friend, regrettably no alliance is going to provide technetium moon data to rebut unsubstantiated allegations. Likewise, I cannot release our data, besides the public figure that Goonswarm owns 67 technetium moons. However, naturally you would be unwilling to accept any data we presented: mere lists of moons can easily be faked. We can, however, rely on the 67 technetium moon number because we've always been open about our finances. These 67 technetium moons produce over 700b isk each month.

This is a substantial amount of technetium income: we would most likely be unable to match it in any post-nerf scenario.


67 Tech moons sounds like a pretty plausible number based on the reseach I have been doing as well. I have no reason to doubt that this number is incorrect. Most of these seems to be in Deklein and Pure Blind, with some scattered around in other neigbouring regions.

However, the total number of techmoons in the North is about 160. Besides Deklein and Pure Blind, we have heavy concetrations in Venal, Tenal, Tribute, Vale and Geminate. Most of these seems to be firmly in Team Tech hands, mainly held by Raiden, PL and NCdot. Moreover, the Tech moons especially in Venal, Tribute and Vale is of better quality than the ones in Deklein and Pure Blind - producing more Tech per moon.

It looks to me that team Tech holds over 90 Tech moons, and if you take quality into consideration their advantage over the Goons looks to be about 1,5:1.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#91 - 2012-02-21 04:28:43 UTC
Reilly Duvolle wrote:
Moreover, the Tech moons especially in Venal, Tribute and Vale is of better quality than the ones in Deklein and Pure Blind - producing more Tech per moon.

Pardon?

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.

Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
#92 - 2012-02-21 04:29:31 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
Reilly Duvolle wrote:
Moreover, the Tech moons especially in Venal, Tribute and Vale is of better quality than the ones in Deklein and Pure Blind - producing more Tech per moon.

Pardon?


Excuse me. Capable of producing more tech per moon. Not necessarly doing so.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#93 - 2012-02-21 04:31:01 UTC
I'm still puzzled. You see, any moon that has technetium produces 100 units per hour: no more, no less, no matter how many moon harvesters you online, even if it has an abundance level of 2 (abundance has never been used in-game). Where did you get this information?

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.

Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#94 - 2012-02-21 04:31:53 UTC
Reilly Duvolle wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
Reilly Duvolle wrote:
Moreover, the Tech moons especially in Venal, Tribute and Vale is of better quality than the ones in Deklein and Pure Blind - producing more Tech per moon.

Pardon?


Excuse me. Capable of producing more tech per moon. Not necessarly doing so.


hi

you can't squeeze out more than 100 units of goo per hour from any moon at all whatsoever

just discrediting a terribly uninformed ~iNvEsTigAtOr~

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar

Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#95 - 2012-02-21 04:34:43 UTC
Jonathan Malcom wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
Every goon is going to blindly vote for The Mittani simply because he is thier leader.


People actually believe this.

So here's a secret. In Test, we voted on who we wanted our candidate to be. Once Dovi won, our alliance leadership recommended that everyone vote for him. But we can vote for whomever we choose.

Now, don't get me wrong. Dovi is an awesome fellow and will make a damn fine CSM member.

But I don't have to vote for him. Just like no one in GSF has to vote for Mittens.

In fact, if Dovi weren't running, I would vote for Mittens. Not out of purported mindless loyalty to the CFC or GSF in particular, but because he knows his **** and gets things done.

I realize it's hard to accept that the horrible null-sec blocs aren't just following orders like complacent sheep. It may not have even occured to you that we vote for our candidates because we like them and we support what they stand for.

But by all means, continue to spew misinformation and bile in your apoplectic rage.


TL;DR
Being tooled 101

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it

Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#96 - 2012-02-21 04:36:37 UTC
Reilly Duvolle wrote:
It looks to me that team Tech holds over 90 Tech moons, and if you take quality into consideration their advantage over the Goons looks to be about 1,5:1.


fyi the CFC as a whole has more than that and I doubt your figure is at all accurate because lol, dotlan

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar

Ai Shun
#97 - 2012-02-21 04:39:05 UTC
Reilly Duvolle wrote:
What I see is a Goon trying to discredit any source an investigator without access to internal alliance documents from either side can use to determine fact within reason. Thus discrediting any conclusion before it is even made public.


I will ask you again. You are making an allegation. You claim this is done to, in essence, protect the integrity / function / meaning / purpose of the CSM and to prevent abuse thereof.

Quote:
I am just sick of your god damn propaganda and metagaming at a level which is supposed to be neutral. The CSM.


Now, you have made a rather serious allegation that some CSM candidates are using what seems like a logical solution to a current imbalance for their own benefit. This to me is very, very serious.

So, I am asking you again - what proof do you have of this? Can you please post your evidence.

Or are you trying to discredit members of the CSM for your own gain?
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
#98 - 2012-02-21 04:44:58 UTC
Ai Shun wrote:

Now, you have made a rather serious allegation that some CSM candidates are using what seems like a logical solution to a current imbalance for their own benefit. This to me is very, very serious.

So, I am asking you again - what proof do you have of this? Can you please post your evidence.

Or are you trying to discredit members of the CSM for your own gain?


I provided you with numbers. Goons will do anything to discredit them, no surprise there. Dotlan has certainly been used, but verivied by other sources.

Look at it in any way you like: Team Tech currently holds more moons that CFC, and has done so for at least 9 months.

Now you can belive this or not. You can make your own investigations - or not. People will belive what they want to belive anyways.

I am done.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#99 - 2012-02-21 04:47:28 UTC
Well, we've already demonstrated that you don't really understand technetium. That you cannot get more than 100units/hour out of a tech moon is a verifiable fact, and I encourage anyone who doubts me to test it on Sisi. And while none of the members of the CFC own as many tech moons as Goonswarm, they do own more than 23 total.

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.

Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
#100 - 2012-02-21 04:50:01 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
And while none of the members of the CFC own as many tech moons as Goonswarm, they do own more than 23 total.


masterfully placed lie there buddy lol