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Custom Paint as part of the NEX

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T'amber Anomandari Demaleon
#21 - 2012-02-20 02:08:40 UTC
Want to stop custom ships being Nex only, take part in my Custom Ship survey and support me in the CSM. :)

www.tinyurl.com/shipcustomisation

Current results for this specific topic:

4) Payment Methods

  • I should be able to pay for this service directly with isk (59.6%)
  • This service should not be restricted to a specific model (20.0%)
  • This service should use a mixed payment method (12.3%)
  • This service should cost Aurum only (7.5%)
  • This service should use a Plex payment model only (0.6%)


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Mechael
Tribal Liberation Distribution and Retail
#22 - 2012-02-20 05:45:20 UTC
It's especially important that the ability to put corp and alliance logos on your ship not be tied down to the NeX store. Getting into good corporations is what keeps people in the game, and sporting the logo will only help bolster corp morale and keep people playing longer. If new players cannot afford to do this, it'd be unfortunate.

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Rixiu
PonyTek
#23 - 2012-02-20 17:33:57 UTC
Paint jobs are better of in LP stores, in loot drops etc than the nex store.
Miss Whippy
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2012-02-20 18:10:29 UTC
Nex store should be gotten rid of along with Aurum. They are both reminders of how pathetically wrong CCP was getting it, and it's a symbol of how they say their loyal customers as nothing more than a cash cow.

Get rid of Nex, get rid of Aurum. I already pay for this game once, why should I pay for it twice just to get the features I helped pay to implement?

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J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2012-02-20 18:17:10 UTC
paid for from isk would make it a pretty neat isk sink. Im sure everyone and his brother would want custom paintjobs on all their hulls. I know I would.
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Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#26 - 2012-02-20 19:40:19 UTC
I fully support the NeX store as a concept. But in implementation it has gone a bit awry.

Some things I feel would get people to accept the NeX store:
-Maintain the vanity item thing
-Cheaper
-No direct items, make everything BPCs (with an exception of a trade good I'll mention later)

For clothes the BPCs can be made from a combinations of textiles and other minerals which could come from some PI stuff.

Custom paint jobs would be done with "paint cans" and these paint cans would be made out of a new form of gas (adding new value to ladar sites in high sec) and would be made form a POS mod that can be anchored in high sec and is made from a "paint reaction" or BPC type thing you buy from the NeX store.

In addition to fully customizable paint jobs there should be some "faction issue" jobs. To get these you would use a combination of LP and a "paint token" which you buy from the Nex Store (the one item i mentioned before).

This way you can get some awesome premade ones like the Ishukone, Roden Shipyards, Thukker Mix, Khanid Navy, Blood Raider, Guristas.... the list goes on and on.

Not only does this give a new value to the LP store and give us some cool paintjobs to use it also adds to the RP community by letting them fly colors of the NPC corp or faction they want to affiliate to.

All of these BPCs, tokens, and etc will all be sellable on the market of course. This can turn into a new kinda of market of people that make and distribute paints and clothes, and you might even get a small group fo people that make a living of buying PLEX off the market, turning it into AUR and reselling the BPCs and tokens on the normal market.

Creates new industries and keeps all aspects of the game accessible to everyone.

(Anyone who discounts the fact that you can get AUR without spending money IRL by buying an PLEX with ISK needs to be stabbed in the face)

The Drake is a Lie

Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#27 - 2012-02-20 19:40:56 UTC
T'amber Anomandari Demaleon wrote:
Want to stop custom ships being Nex only, take part in my Custom Ship survey and support me in the CSM. :)

www.tinyurl.com/shipcustomisation

Current results for this specific topic:

4) Payment Methods

  • I should be able to pay for this service directly with isk (59.6%)
  • This service should not be restricted to a specific model (20.0%)
  • This service should use a mixed payment method (12.3%)
  • This service should cost Aurum only (7.5%)
  • This service should use a Plex payment model only (0.6%)




Mixed payment and mixed source vote here.

Special themese nex only.
Navy themes or corp themese LP store (aka isk)
Plain jane color changes player built/traded

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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#28 - 2012-02-20 19:43:43 UTC
Xercodo wrote:
I fully support the NeX store as a concept. But in implementation it has gone a bit awry.

Some things I feel would get people to accept the NeX store:
-Maintain the vanity item thing
-Cheaper
-No direct items, make everything BPCs (with an exception of a trade good I'll mention later)

For clothes the BPCs can be made from a combinations of textiles and other minerals which could come from some PI stuff.

Custom paint jobs would be done with "paint cans" and these paint cans would be made out of a new form of gas (adding new value to ladar sites in high sec) and would be made form a POS mod that can be anchored in high sec and is made from a "paint reaction" or BPC type thing you buy from the NeX store.

In addition to fully customizable paint jobs there should be some "faction issue" jobs. To get these you would use a combination of LP and a "paint token" which you buy from the Nex Store (the one item i mentioned before).

This way you can get some awesome premade ones like the Ishukone, Roden Shipyards, Thukker Mix, Khanid Navy, Blood Raider, Guristas.... the list goes on and on.

Not only does this give a new value to the LP store and give us some cool paintjobs to use it also adds to the RP community by letting them fly colors of the NPC corp or faction they want to affiliate to.

All of these BPCs, tokens, and etc will all be sellable on the market of course. This can turn into a new kinda of market of people that make and distribute paints and clothes, and you might even get a small group fo people that make a living of buying PLEX off the market, turning it into AUR and reselling the BPCs and tokens on the normal market.

Creates new industries and keeps all aspects of the game accessible to everyone.

(Anyone who discounts the fact that you can get AUR without spending money IRL by buying an PLEX with ISK needs to be stabbed in the face)


Ive been screaming for this for a while.

Make the BPOs available as well when the technology allows. Allow players to 'research' mateirals colors textures and cuts and build the disposable in packages at a time to account for the massive consumption of an oversized material. Make these destroyable.

BPCs would be generic clothing and cheap.

NeX could also then sell blank pernament contracts to apply to any one article you like not to part with.

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Vetrox Satria
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2012-02-20 19:52:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Vetrox Satria
I still dont see whats wrong with the NeX at the moment apart from the fact that its not got any extra stuff, I want some sort of cybernetic implant poking through my skull dammit!

NeX is for vanity items, to make things look cool. Whats wrong with paying a bit of extra money (isk or real$£$) to get a piece of clothing or paint job for my ship? (i would paint a giant penis on the side of mine...you know you would if you could). It doesnt hurt anyone? Money is there to be spent. I have 3 bil isk (well i dont but imagine i do) i dont really have anything ear marked for spending...Im gonna treat myself to a few plex's, turn it into some aurum and get me a swanky new jacket.

I just cant get my head round the reason people hate it so much?!?
Therese Ishihara
Council of Exiles
Brave Collective
#30 - 2012-02-20 19:56:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Therese Ishihara
Vetrox Satria wrote:
I still dont see whats wrong with the NeX at the moment apart from the fact that its not got any extra stuff, I want some sort of cybernetic implant poking through my skull dammit!

NeX is for vanity items, to make things look cool. Whats wrong with paying a bit of extra money (isk or real$£$) to get a piece of clothing. It doesnt hurt anyone? Money is there to be spent. I have 3 bil isk (well i dont but imagine i do) i dont really have anything ear marked for spending...Im gonna treat myself to a few plex's, turn it into some aurum and get me a swanky new jacket.

I just cant get my head round the reason people hate it so much?!?


Because they can't afford the 1B monocle and think that the 1B monocle gives players some kind of PvP advantage over them?

I personally like the idea of being able to buy vanity items - and for all of the people wishing that they could just spend ISK to get their fancy paintjob: you can currently buy everything available in the NeX store for ISK on the eve market. You just have to wait for a player to spend Aurum for the item and then put the item on the market.

Basically everyone whining about the NeX store is butthurt because either they're too poor to buy PLEX or too lazy to farm ISK to buy the vanity items off of the market. They think it's some kind of scam for some reason. They're probably the same types of people who think that PLEX is just an ISK printing scheme.
Vetrox Satria
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2012-02-20 20:03:33 UTC
Thats exactly what I thought.

I CANT HAS IT THEREFOR ITS BAD. 1 puppy dies for everyday the NeX exists yadda yada yadda.

I might spend my actual factual wages on some plex and just buy the monocle. I bought a pretty pricey one IRL i might as well have a virtual future monocle...or maybe just take a dip into the corp wallet and treat everyone in the corp to a monocle.

I also wonder about the people saying "NeX is just CCP being heartless money hungry corporate dogs giving into the machine"....they kinda need to get money from somewhere. If i could draw a graph with "Amount of money CCP gets from eve" and on the other axis "Cool new features added to eve" so people can actually see how life works
Wacktopia
Fleet-Up.com
Keep It Simple Software Group
#32 - 2012-02-20 20:20:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Wacktopia
Doc Fury wrote:
Eliminate Arum and sell everything in teh NeX for ISK, the existing, well-established currency in EVE.

CCP already sells shedloads of Plex you can sell for ISK we don't need another currency.





I gotta admit that removing Aurum would make me hate NeX less. I really do not see why it's there in the first place? You can go...

$$$ > Plex > ISK

So you can use RL cash to buy things from the NeX store. And if CCP want to "manage the exchange rate" then they can just change the ISK price of the store items. Just get rid of the Aurum.

That said I really don't want to see another round of CCP ramming NeX down our throats. I quit playing over the whole NeX thing last year and came back because it looked like the was a genuine turn-around.

I've paid to play this game with cash for a decent amount of time and I do not want to see the NeX store rail-roaded out again like I'm playing some kind of free-to-play junk. If CCP cant make make it with multiple $15 subs from a lot of players then something ain't right.

Why I don't like NeX store; I don't like things that are not made by players or obtained from seemingly logical sources (e.g officer modified item drops). I would be cool if you could buy BPC's from NeX and make pain jobs with 'stuff''.

Edit: Yeah and if we're talking that customised paint jobs cannot be sold on the open market then so long and thanks for all the fights o7

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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#33 - 2012-02-20 20:22:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Nova Fox
Dunno but every time I see get rid of Aurum I see the words get rid of plex instead espeically when aurum will eventually be able to buy time pertty soon around here if they go that route.

So far though what is going to screw with aurum changes is dust 514 since that is thier micro economy as well. Despite they can use isk for everything else just about.

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FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#34 - 2012-02-20 20:25:52 UTC
Don't care. I don't spend enough time zoomed in and admiring my own ship to bother spending anything on a silly skin. Put it in the NeX, let the space barbie crowd buy them, and drive up the value of any PLEX I steal.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.

Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#35 - 2012-02-20 20:27:03 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Don't care. I don't spend enough time zoomed in and admiring my own ship to bother spending anything on a silly skin. Put it in the NeX, let the space barbie crowd buy them, and drive up the value of any PLEX I steal.


^ This

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Grey Stormshadow
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2012-02-20 20:28:39 UTC
"Custom" paint jobs should and can be NeX items without any problem. However believe that there should be 2 types of paint jobs...

1st type should be reusable corporation/alliance wide logos which cost sh1tloads of aur for the corporation/alliance as whole but are 1 time purchase and can be used freely after that.

2nd type should be non reusable cheap standard paint jobs which can not be reapplied after destruction.

Get classic forum style - custom videos to captains quarters screen

Play with the best - die like the rest

Wacktopia
Fleet-Up.com
Keep It Simple Software Group
#37 - 2012-02-20 20:32:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Wacktopia
Nova Fox wrote:
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Don't care. I don't spend enough time zoomed in and admiring my own ship to bother spending anything on a silly skin. Put it in the NeX, let the space barbie crowd buy them, and drive up the value of any PLEX I steal.


^ This


Yeah and I'm sure that half of the population probably reads this and thinks "meh who cares".

The reason people should consider caring is the "golden bullet" scenario. Just suppose that these paint jobs one day alter the stat's of the ship in some way after the way has been paved for them to be bought from the NeX store with Aurum.

That is the reason people hate the idea of NeX so much. CCP can say "never gonna happen" until they are blue in the face but it does not change the fact that it could happen.

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Mrs Sooperdudespaceman
Doomheim
#38 - 2012-02-20 20:48:56 UTC
Will the paint job be indestructable like the other NEX items?
Therese Ishihara
Council of Exiles
Brave Collective
#39 - 2012-02-20 20:56:55 UTC
Wacktopia wrote:
Nova Fox wrote:
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Don't care. I don't spend enough time zoomed in and admiring my own ship to bother spending anything on a silly skin. Put it in the NeX, let the space barbie crowd buy them, and drive up the value of any PLEX I steal.


^ This


Yeah and I'm sure that half of the population probably reads this and thinks "meh who cares".

The reason people should consider caring is the "golden bullet" scenario. Just suppose that these paint jobs one day alter the stat's of the ship in some way after the way has been paved for them to be bought from the NeX store with Aurum.

That is the reason people hate the idea of NeX so much. CCP can say "never gonna happen" until they are blue in the face but it does not change the fact that it could happen.


Why does the existence of the NeX make you so concerned about CCP changing their tune? You do realize that they could implement this kind of thing without the pre-existence of the NeX or notification to you?

This isn't one of those 'slippery slope' cases where the issue slowly erodes into a full blown problem. If CCP wants to implement a 'golden bullet' they can do it regardless of any pre-existing marketplace.

I think CCP is pretty clear on what the playerbase thinks about non-vanity items. If a day ever comes where the opinion of the playerbase changes or financial necessity requires it, CCP will implement 'golden bullets' if they want to.

TL;DR: CCP will do what they want, regardless of the pre-existence of a special marketplace - so quit crying about it and enjoy your neon pink ships.

Solhild
Doomheim
#40 - 2012-02-20 21:13:22 UTC
Therese Ishihara wrote:
Wacktopia wrote:
Nova Fox wrote:
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Don't care. I don't spend enough time zoomed in and admiring my own ship to bother spending anything on a silly skin. Put it in the NeX, let the space barbie crowd buy them, and drive up the value of any PLEX I steal.


^ This


Yeah and I'm sure that half of the population probably reads this and thinks "meh who cares".

The reason people should consider caring is the "golden bullet" scenario. Just suppose that these paint jobs one day alter the stat's of the ship in some way after the way has been paved for them to be bought from the NeX store with Aurum.

That is the reason people hate the idea of NeX so much. CCP can say "never gonna happen" until they are blue in the face but it does not change the fact that it could happen.


Why does the existence of the NeX make you so concerned about CCP changing their tune? You do realize that they could implement this kind of thing without the pre-existence of the NeX or notification to you?

This isn't one of those 'slippery slope' cases where the issue slowly erodes into a full blown problem. If CCP wants to implement a 'golden bullet' they can do it regardless of any pre-existing marketplace.

I think CCP is pretty clear on what the playerbase thinks about non-vanity items. If a day ever comes where the opinion of the playerbase changes or financial necessity requires it, CCP will implement 'golden bullets' if they want to.

TL;DR: CCP will do what they want, regardless of the pre-existence of a special marketplace - so quit crying about it and enjoy your neon pink ships.



Considering things vanity/non-vanity is a slippery slope. Content is content. Painting ships is adding content, let's make it mean something.
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