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arcca jeth
Dark Alliance
#21 - 2012-02-20 18:37:56 UTC
i seem to have no problem getting uncloaked by good campers Shocked
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#22 - 2012-02-20 18:41:07 UTC
Cosmo Raata wrote:


Well, you my friend have a bubble up to give you more time. I've done decloaking without the use of a bubble. So unless you are one of those suggesting that pvp shouldn't be done in low or high sec, then you aren't convincing me that I am doing it wrong. While I do see now that this change hasn't hurt 0.0 much in terms of cloaking ships running about, it does make empire and low sec travel with cloaks super safe.

So, while I do recognize that you aren't wrong, you can hopefully also see that I am not wrong either.

Maybe give me some props for being able to decloak and point ships without the use of a bubble.


Can't go after the people for doing it right. For every smart cloaky zipping about there will be 100 fools in something soft and squishy with way too much isk. I have no problem with smart people taken actions to make themselves as hard to gank as possible, its only fair.

The russians keep on throwing freighters at you lot so you do need a bit of karma otherwise the ying/yang would be out of balance.
Greening
xPrivateers
#23 - 2012-02-20 18:49:11 UTC
2 good points! +1 to CCP fixing these issues to provide a fair and balanced chance of de cloaking ships on gate.
Cosmo Raata
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#24 - 2012-02-20 19:05:51 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Cosmo Raata wrote:


Well, you my friend have a bubble up to give you more time. I've done decloaking without the use of a bubble. So unless you are one of those suggesting that pvp shouldn't be done in low or high sec, then you aren't convincing me that I am doing it wrong. While I do see now that this change hasn't hurt 0.0 much in terms of cloaking ships running about, it does make empire and low sec travel with cloaks super safe.

So, while I do recognize that you aren't wrong, you can hopefully also see that I am not wrong either.

Maybe give me some props for being able to decloak and point ships without the use of a bubble.


Can't go after the people for doing it right. For every smart cloaky zipping about there will be 100 fools in something soft and squishy with way too much isk. I have no problem with smart people taken actions to make themselves as hard to gank as possible, its only fair.

The russians keep on throwing freighters at you lot so you do need a bit of karma otherwise the ying/yang would be out of balance.


Yeah, until CCP releases the cloaking jump freighter.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#25 - 2012-02-20 19:08:56 UTC
Cosmo Raata wrote:
[quote=baltec1]

Yeah, until CCP releases the cloaking jump freighter.


I would laugh at the very idea of this buut after they gave us the titans...
Rommell Drako
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2012-02-21 00:08:41 UTC
it is sad when you have a dram bump throu a cloaked target on a gate and it still warping cloaked...

Ive seen this in 00 (with out bubbles), low, and high sec. Hope something good comes from this thread.
Large Collidable Object
morons.
#27 - 2012-02-21 00:36:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Large Collidable Object
Could anyone please point out the appropriate patch notes? I usually read them, but can't remember reading about the changes mentioned in the op.
You know... [morons.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gjOx65yD5A)
Lady Aja
#28 - 2012-02-21 01:01:08 UTC
Cosmo Raata wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Cosmo Raata wrote:
Valentyn3 wrote:
Oh noes, you have to actually try to get gate camp kills. You poor, poor man. Roll



Have you ever tried to decloak anyone before this issue or after?

It went from about a 20% chance if you were very good at it to a 1% chance.

Saying that I am not trying is just ignorant.


THeres a guy in my corp who has damn near 100% chance to decloak frigs. Calling you out on your not trying.



Dude, I can bump cloaked ships and they don't decloak. So, if he does do a great job at it now, vs before this fix, I'd honestly want to know what he uses, because a dramiel with snakes can't even get the job done. I have a feeling you may be exaggerating just a tad.



dude if you really bumped a cloaked ship and didnt see it happen.. did it really happen?
if so how can you prove it?
where is my ability to link a sig properly CCP you munters!!
Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2012-02-21 01:13:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Ris Dnalor
Cosmo Raata wrote:
Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:
Spawn camping is a weak bottleneck game mechanic perpetrated by the engine. People cant help having to work with what they are given. CCP just cant think of any other way to narrow down the vastness of space so people meet.



Again, all I want is it to be truely random where you spawn. Its not right now, its set up to make pvp fail.

I can live with it, but this change by CCP is just plain catering toward the Bear.


drop cans ( or position ships )at 5 of the 6 cardinal points of the gate, that should leave the 6th cardinal point of the gate the most barren, and should dictate where the ship will appear. sit close to the gate but within disruptor range of the barren area.

If what you're saying is true, then the result will be easier gate camping, not harder, as you can dictate where the ship will be more likely to appear with just a little prep time.

and of course, if enough people do this ( assuming it works ) I bet your random spawn will return quite soon.

o/

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118961

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Surge Roth
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2012-02-21 01:47:52 UTC
Cosmo Raata wrote:
TheBreadMuncher wrote:
TL;DR, first is a legitimate problem, second is just people wanting everyone to be forced into PVPing.



Thank you for your response. I don't believe that the 2nd is forcing pvp on people, its a chance based spawn. It gives an equal chance that they spawn far away as it does that they spawn close. I only seek it to be fair to both parties, not lopsided toward one.


This kind of game play is the equivalent to spawn camping in a fps in a poorly designed map. The only kind of people who get enjoyment out of such a system are the gang bangers who are spawn camping. And as we all know, only 4 out of 5 people enjoy gang bangs.
Surge Roth
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2012-02-21 01:49:00 UTC
Lady Aja wrote:
Cosmo Raata wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Cosmo Raata wrote:
Valentyn3 wrote:
Oh noes, you have to actually try to get gate camp kills. You poor, poor man. Roll



Have you ever tried to decloak anyone before this issue or after?

It went from about a 20% chance if you were very good at it to a 1% chance.

Saying that I am not trying is just ignorant.


THeres a guy in my corp who has damn near 100% chance to decloak frigs. Calling you out on your not trying.



Dude, I can bump cloaked ships and they don't decloak. So, if he does do a great job at it now, vs before this fix, I'd honestly want to know what he uses, because a dramiel with snakes can't even get the job done. I have a feeling you may be exaggerating just a tad.



dude if you really bumped a cloaked ship and didnt see it happen.. did it really happen?
if so how can you prove it?


Space Ghosts
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#32 - 2012-02-21 01:55:39 UTC
Get a sabre. Go to nullsec. Learn to pvp instead of asking for the game to be changed to make it easier for you to get cheap thrills.
Cosmo Raata
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#33 - 2012-02-21 16:56:49 UTC
Ptraci wrote:
Get a sabre. Go to nullsec. Learn to pvp instead of asking for the game to be changed to make it easier for you to get cheap thrills.



Only took 2 pages for someone to try to assert their 0.0 superiority over me.

Give me a break, your 9 and 29 record shows that you surely know your pvp more than I.
Cosmo Raata
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#34 - 2012-02-21 16:57:52 UTC
Lady Aja wrote:
Cosmo Raata wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Cosmo Raata wrote:
Valentyn3 wrote:
Oh noes, you have to actually try to get gate camp kills. You poor, poor man. Roll



Have you ever tried to decloak anyone before this issue or after?

It went from about a 20% chance if you were very good at it to a 1% chance.

Saying that I am not trying is just ignorant.


THeres a guy in my corp who has damn near 100% chance to decloak frigs. Calling you out on your not trying.



Dude, I can bump cloaked ships and they don't decloak. So, if he does do a great job at it now, vs before this fix, I'd honestly want to know what he uses, because a dramiel with snakes can't even get the job done. I have a feeling you may be exaggerating just a tad.



dude if you really bumped a cloaked ship and didnt see it happen.. did it really happen?
if so how can you prove it?


Umm, how about a ship traveling 12km/s and suddenly bouncing off an apparent invisible wall? What proof do you want exactly?
Cosmo Raata
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#35 - 2012-02-21 17:06:56 UTC
Ris Dnalor wrote:
Cosmo Raata wrote:
Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:
Spawn camping is a weak bottleneck game mechanic perpetrated by the engine. People cant help having to work with what they are given. CCP just cant think of any other way to narrow down the vastness of space so people meet.



Again, all I want is it to be truely random where you spawn. Its not right now, its set up to make pvp fail.

I can live with it, but this change by CCP is just plain catering toward the Bear.


drop cans ( or position ships )at 5 of the 6 cardinal points of the gate, that should leave the 6th cardinal point of the gate the most barren, and should dictate where the ship will appear. sit close to the gate but within disruptor range of the barren area.

If what you're saying is true, then the result will be easier gate camping, not harder, as you can dictate where the ship will be more likely to appear with just a little prep time.

and of course, if enough people do this ( assuming it works ) I bet your random spawn will return quite soon.

o/



So the answer is to exploit the current system to get back the right system?

First off, I rarely sit on a gate long enough to distribute cans around the gate for a pvp advantage.

Second, why should I have to change the way I play for CCP to make a change? Since when did these carebears change their style of play? They just whine and complain without any solid reasoning.
Cosmo Raata
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#36 - 2012-02-21 17:08:43 UTC
Large Collidable Object wrote:
Could anyone please point out the appropriate patch notes? I usually read them, but can't remember reading about the changes mentioned in the op.



They never mentioned them.

There is a lot CCP does with good intentions but never announces their actions for fear of reprisal.
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#37 - 2012-02-22 00:34:38 UTC
Cosmo Raata wrote:


Give me a break, your 9 and 29 record shows that you surely know your pvp more than I.


Yeah I don't have 5 other EVE accounts. I hope you base all your decisions on what you read on killboards.
Hainnz
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#38 - 2012-02-22 01:12:20 UTC
Cosmo Raata wrote:
stuff


Your corp name is very appropriate.
Nephilius
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#39 - 2012-02-22 01:50:15 UTC
I'm really not sure if you are serious about the gate spawning part or not...part of me thinks it's a horrible troll. The other part of me thinks it's tears over carebears not dropping in your lap.

I'm not trying to be a d-bag about it, but I can't help but feel like I can't really put it any other way. I know I'm not a very good PvPer, but there has to be a great many ways to deal with something like this. Maybe posting up on a gate in a pattern or something, or even trying to guess where your quarry is going to go and beat them there. Isn't that what makes Eve fun? Trying to outwit both the game and your opponent? I loved those days when I was into that...nothing like overcoming the odds and being rewarded for doing so.
"If."
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#40 - 2012-02-22 03:47:21 UTC
I was thinking of trolling this thread. But then I thought about the last time I busted a nulsec gate camp, and realized that I did indeed spawn in an area of least population. That is only 1 report. But it did happen.

As far as getting decloaked by some random object while in warp, it has happened to me only once since Crucible.

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
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