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Moon Mines - The race for real ones
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Adunh Slavy
#1 - 2012-02-20 18:31:32 UTC
You tube vid - "GOOGLE LUNAR X PRIZE MOON 2.0"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6Db0W0DagE

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
Yoma Karima
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-02-20 18:34:38 UTC
Googled it NASAed it and even youtubed it. in my opinion this should already have happend but someone canceled the ****ing moon program.

Those who wish to end War wish to end what it means to be human. Those who advocate War do not know its power. Yet Those who learn from War will be remembered for all time.
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#3 - 2012-02-20 20:55:07 UTC
I was glad NASA programs got cancelled. Always wanted to be an astronaut, but NASA said no to it, but they are getting cut now. Revenge is sweet.

I think I am the only one, who doesn't care about going to the moon again.

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Bear Templar
TEMPLAR.
The Initiative.
#4 - 2012-02-20 21:44:10 UTC
rodyas wrote:
I was glad NASA programs got cancelled. Always wanted to be an astronaut, but NASA said no to it, but they are getting cut now. Revenge is sweet.

I think I am the only one, who doesn't care about going to the moon again.


So you saw the worth and potential in becoming an astronaut, to better human knowledge, technology and society; but once they said "No." to you, you got bitter and now completely don't see the point in going to the moon?

If a fish weighs 1 Kilogram plus half its own weight, how much does it weigh? (It's not 1.5kg btw)
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#5 - 2012-02-20 22:24:41 UTC
I don't see much point in mining the moon. The gravity well makes it rather costly to move mined product off it, and I'm not aware of any findings of significantly valuable metals there. We'd be much better off using robotic tugs to pull asteroids into orbit of the moon and stripping them down there before dropping the leftovers onto the dark side (so that we don't deface the side we see every night)

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Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#6 - 2012-02-20 22:35:23 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
I don't see much point in mining the moon. The gravity well makes it rather costly to move mined product off it, and I'm not aware of any findings of significantly valuable metals there. We'd be much better off using robotic tugs to pull asteroids into orbit of the moon and stripping them down there before dropping the leftovers onto the dark side (so that we don't deface the side we see every night)



Expeditions to our asteroid field would be even more costly than going to the moon. I personally think it's idiotic that monetary gains is the item that is holding us back from leaving this rock.

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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2012-02-20 22:45:14 UTC
Let's just drag Titan over here and start mining all the fuel off it. I heard there's more in Titan than there ever has been on earth Big smile

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W1rlW1nd
WirlWind
#8 - 2012-02-21 03:15:49 UTC
Bear Templar wrote:
rodyas wrote:
I was glad NASA programs got cancelled. Always wanted to be an astronaut, but NASA said no to it, but they are getting cut now. Revenge is sweet.

I think I am the only one, who doesn't care about going to the moon again.


So you saw the worth and potential in becoming an astronaut, to better human knowledge, technology and society; but once they said "No." to you, you got bitter and now completely don't see the point in going to the moon?



It's because he is mad bro.
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#9 - 2012-02-21 12:51:11 UTC
Not much time for the weekly short trip to the EVE boards, but this one caught my eye this week.

FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
I don't see much point in mining the moon. The gravity well makes it rather costly to move mined product off it, and I'm not aware of any findings of significantly valuable metals there. We'd be much better off using robotic tugs to pull asteroids into orbit of the moon and stripping them down there before dropping the leftovers onto the dark side (so that we don't deface the side we see every night)

The Lunar "gravity well" is about 22 times smaller than the Earth one, and the lack of any noteworthy atmosphere makes solar-powered railgun launching of cargo quite feasible (plenty of solar energy, no atmospheric breaking and no friction burn).
Mining and processing minerals is far more convenient inside a gravity well, primarily because you don't have to worry about clouds of debris, but there are also other factors making smelting more attractive on the moon rather than in space.
Also, prospecting and then moving sufficiently resource-rich asteroids into earth or lunar orbit could prove problematic, if not just extremely time-consuming. In the LONG run, with the proper orbital infrastructure in place and most of the asteroids geo-surveyed, asteroid exploitation could prove more cost-effective than lunar mining, but for now, lunar mining should be noticeably more attractive.

As to valuable minerals and possible uses (heavy-duty quoting follows):

"KREEP is an acronym used in geochemistry to represent a mixture of K-potassium, REE-rare earth elements, and P-phosphorus. It is not only the main source of these elements on the moon, but also many other trace elements such as uranium, thorium, fluorine, chlorine, and zirconium."
"Due to lunar geological processes these elements have been concentrated and may prove cheaper to harvest from the moon than other NEOs. KREEP may prove profitable, or it may simply be used for cost reduction (not having to pay shipping from other sources)."
"One attractive possibility is to concentrate the valuable lunar materials into a form that has true economic value. This is a common practice through out the American West today and can be done quite economically on a small scale. [...] This process generates concerns for adaptation to our lunar situation both because of the large amount of water required and that some of the chemicals, such as cyanide, are toxic. Still the process is regularly done by small operations with economic success and environmental safeguards at remote locations on Earth and in very dry country. It would be a very rare ore concentrate that would be worth the cost of shipping back to Earth. Even considering this it is much cheaper to ship mass from the Moon to the Earth than vice-versa. This process is much more believable for material to be used on the Moon, in Earth orbit, or for trips farther out."

Plus, you have Helium-3, which is of no immediate use right now, but is believed to be one potentially very important element for long-term "safe" fusion energy generation.

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Yoma Karima
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-02-21 15:44:26 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
I don't see much point in mining the moon. The gravity well makes it rather costly to move mined product off it, and I'm not aware of any findings of significantly valuable metals there. We'd be much better off using robotic tugs to pull asteroids into orbit of the moon and stripping them down there before dropping the leftovers onto the dark side (so that we don't deface the side we see every night)


Let me puit it this way the amount of titanium on the fair side of the moon is so great that if you had it in your back yard you would make Bill Gates look broke. also thats a lot of starships witch can be built and lonched right on the moon surfice or in orbit.

Those who wish to end War wish to end what it means to be human. Those who advocate War do not know its power. Yet Those who learn from War will be remembered for all time.
Squidgey
Perkone
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-02-21 16:45:17 UTC
Yoma Karima wrote:
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
I don't see much point in mining the moon. The gravity well makes it rather costly to move mined product off it, and I'm not aware of any findings of significantly valuable metals there. We'd be much better off using robotic tugs to pull asteroids into orbit of the moon and stripping them down there before dropping the leftovers onto the dark side (so that we don't deface the side we see every night)


Let me puit it this way the amount of titanium on the fair side of the moon is so great that if you had it in your back yard you would make Bill Gates look broke. also thats a lot of starships witch can be built and lonched right on the moon surfice or in orbit.

Says who?

The dark side of my ass is filled with platinum. See how I can claim something without backing it up?

Also see the pun?
Taedrin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-02-21 16:55:17 UTC
Akita T wrote:
Not much time for the weekly short trip to the EVE boards, but this one caught my eye this week.

FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
I don't see much point in mining the moon. The gravity well makes it rather costly to move mined product off it, and I'm not aware of any findings of significantly valuable metals there. We'd be much better off using robotic tugs to pull asteroids into orbit of the moon and stripping them down there before dropping the leftovers onto the dark side (so that we don't deface the side we see every night)

The Lunar "gravity well" is about 22 times smaller than the Earth one, and the lack of any noteworthy atmosphere makes solar-powered railgun launching of cargo quite feasible (plenty of solar energy, no atmospheric breaking and no friction burn).


Rail guns are too expensive to use, due to their very short lifetime. The enormous amounts of heat, electrical current and friction involved. The near-vacuum environment of the moon might reduce rail erosion to some extent, but the rails will only have a handful of uses before they have to be replaced. A coil gun makes more sense here, as they do not require any contact with the projectile. A coil gun is more energy efficient too, since there is less energy lost to heat and friction.

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Mining and processing minerals is far more convenient inside a gravity well, primarily because you don't have to worry about clouds of debris, but there are also other factors making smelting more attractive on the moon rather than in space.
Also, prospecting and then moving sufficiently resource-rich asteroids into earth or lunar orbit could prove problematic, if not just extremely time-consuming. In the LONG run, with the proper orbital infrastructure in place and most of the asteroids geo-surveyed, asteroid exploitation could prove more cost-effective than lunar mining, but for now, lunar mining should be noticeably more attractive.


Let's not also forget that the asteroid belt is VERY far away from Earth and would be VERY dangerous to travel through due to the prevalence of high velocity micrometeorites in the asteroid belts.


Establishing a moon base would also be a convenient stepping stone for further space travel. Of course, all this talk is quickly becoming pointless as politicians have been slashing space exploration budgets. Sadly, the fate of our civilization will probably be to live out the last of our insignificant lives on this rock we call home as we kill ourselves off by fighting over the few dwindling resources left here.
jason hill
Red vs Blue Flight Academy
#13 - 2012-02-21 17:34:07 UTC
gotta wonder about the damned space nazis already living up there mind ...im sure they will have summat to say about all this Big smile
Adunh Slavy
#14 - 2012-02-21 17:38:43 UTC
Squidgey wrote:
Yoma Karima wrote:

Let me puit it this way the amount of titanium on the fair side of the moon is so great that if you had it in your back yard you would make Bill Gates look broke. also thats a lot of starships witch can be built and lonched right on the moon surfice or in orbit.

Says who?

The dark side of my ass is filled with platinum. See how I can claim something without backing it up?

Also see the pun?


Time index 2:01 in the vid says so. Looks like an EVE PI map oddly enough.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#15 - 2012-02-21 18:44:22 UTC
Squidgey wrote:

Says who?

The dark side of my ass is filled with platinum. See how I can claim something without backing it up?

Also see the pun?


The irony is there is indeed a fair bit of platinum up there.
Squidgey
Perkone
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-02-21 18:47:48 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Squidgey wrote:

Says who?

The dark side of my ass is filled with platinum. See how I can claim something without backing it up?

Also see the pun?


The irony is there is indeed a fair bit of platinum up there.

I didn't say there wasn't, I just like claims backed up with something.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#17 - 2012-02-21 19:47:31 UTC
Squidgey wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Squidgey wrote:

Says who?

The dark side of my ass is filled with platinum. See how I can claim something without backing it up?

Also see the pun?


The irony is there is indeed a fair bit of platinum up there.

I didn't say there wasn't, I just like claims backed up with something.


NASA, European, Russian and Japanise probes have all found vast deposits of mineral wealth.
Squidgey
Perkone
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-02-21 19:54:53 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Squidgey wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Squidgey wrote:

Says who?

The dark side of my ass is filled with platinum. See how I can claim something without backing it up?

Also see the pun?


The irony is there is indeed a fair bit of platinum up there.

I didn't say there wasn't, I just like claims backed up with something.


NASA, European, Russian and Japanise probes have all found vast deposits of mineral wealth.

I still don't see this backed up with anything.

Far too lazy to find an article myself.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#19 - 2012-02-21 20:08:36 UTC
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
Expeditions to our asteroid field would be even more costly than going to the moon. I personally think it's idiotic that monetary gains is the item that is holding us back from leaving this rock.


I think you missed the part where I said sending robotic tugs to bring back asteroids.

Also, there's more to "costly" than just money. Moving goods off the moon will cost a lot of fuel and materials that could be preserved by mining asteroids.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#20 - 2012-02-21 22:07:20 UTC
Bear Templar wrote:
rodyas wrote:
I was glad NASA programs got cancelled. Always wanted to be an astronaut, but NASA said no to it, but they are getting cut now. Revenge is sweet.

I think I am the only one, who doesn't care about going to the moon again.


So you saw the worth and potential in becoming an astronaut, to better human knowledge, technology and society; but once they said "No." to you, you got bitter and now completely don't see the point in going to the moon?


Well I was bitter, but seeing them falter and being shutdown, helped it go away.

To the point of it being worth it is, I think the problem is if we try that hard to go to the moon again, we could use that work to go somewhere else like an asteroid. That link did say china was interested, but china is currently buying all the metal resources on earth as well as oil, so moon mining already fits their paradigm. Not sure if that fits anyone else's paradigms though or economys.

So china finds it worth going, with what they are currently doing, for me with what I am doing, not so worth it I suppose.

Stephen Hawking is also pushing for colonization in space at all and any level. But I hate the way colonies feel or being a colonist. Prefer for it already to be set up and I can easily travel places. Like a city already has an information portal set up or access to internet for travelers.

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