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Christy D Floyd
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-02-20 16:14:27 UTC
I had an idea that would help retain new players and make the game alittle less stressful for new players and old.

Why cant CCP refund your ship with or without mods if it is blown up in high sec only. Of course this program would not be valid during war. I think this would be better than the insurance that pays crap.

Just an idea.

Money is better than poverty, if only for financial reasons.
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#2 - 2012-02-20 16:46:20 UTC
Because eve is a game about consequences?
Velicitia
XS Tech
#3 - 2012-02-20 16:56:49 UTC
say it with me ...

...

"If you can't afford to insure it, you can't afford to fly it"

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
#4 - 2012-02-20 17:14:39 UTC
Christy D Floyd wrote:
I had an idea that would help retain new players and make the game alittle less stressful for new players and old.

Why cant CCP refund your ship with or without mods if it is blown up in high sec only. Of course this program would not be valid during war. I think this would be better than the insurance that pays crap.

Just an idea.



Oh... Puleeeezzzzz

If you lost a ship in high-sec then there are three scenarios:

1) you aggro'd something or stole from a can and got what was coming to you
2) you got suicide ganked because you transported a cargo that was worth far more than the ships that were lost by killing you.
3) you were alseep at the wheel while your corp had a wardec.

In all cases it means that YOU need to learn from what happend. In all three cases, stupidity is the core problem.

Asking CCP to implement a game mechanic to compensate for stupidity is silly. It's like asking God to intervene because you lost your way in the forest and can't figure out, despite obvious signs, which way is North.

T-
Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks
#5 - 2012-02-20 17:15:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Tchulen
I can't really say it better than the three previous posters.

Normally I try to explain my reasoning for disagreeing with people in an eloquent, polite manner so they understand the reasons for my arguments for or against their ideas.

If you couldn't see the reasons why not to post that suggestion all I can really say to you is:


What the last three said and go back to WoW.
Emperor Salazar
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#6 - 2012-02-20 17:17:27 UTC
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Serge Bastana
GWA Corp
#7 - 2012-02-20 18:12:07 UTC
Star Trek Online is that way --->

Go see how that compares to EVE than come back and rethink this idea.

WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place...

Christy D Floyd
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-02-20 18:21:23 UTC
Boy did that get a heated response so let me ask you this to those who replied to this post. If CCP did implement this feature would you still play this game?

Money is better than poverty, if only for financial reasons.
Tidurious
Blatant Alt Corp
#9 - 2012-02-20 20:20:00 UTC
No.
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-02-20 20:34:46 UTC
Christy D Floyd wrote:
If CCP did implement this feature would you still play this game?
CCP would NEVER implement your "feature", so the thought experiment is pointless. I don't have to consider not playing this game because of your idea.
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#11 - 2012-02-20 20:35:47 UTC
Christy D Floyd wrote:
Boy did that get a heated response so let me ask you this to those who replied to this post. If CCP did implement this feature would you still play this game?


Probably not. Then again, having quite literally zero risk in highsec could make suicide ganking more amusing. The other idiot wouldn't lose any of the billion he was carrying in a badger, but at least I could steal some, and for free too!
Christy D Floyd
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-02-20 21:49:18 UTC
Tinu Moorhsum wrote:
Christy D Floyd wrote:
I had an idea that would help retain new players and make the game alittle less stressful for new players and old.

Why cant CCP refund your ship with or without mods if it is blown up in high sec only. Of course this program would not be valid during war. I think this would be better than the insurance that pays crap.

Just an idea.



Oh... Puleeeezzzzz

If you lost a ship in high-sec then there are three scenarios:

1) you aggro'd something or stole from a can and got what was coming to you
2) you got suicide ganked because you transported a cargo that was worth far more than the ships that were lost by killing you.
3) you were alseep at the wheel while your corp had a wardec.

In all cases it means that YOU need to learn from what happend. In all three cases, stupidity is the core problem.

Asking CCP to implement a game mechanic to compensate for stupidity is silly. It's like asking God to intervene because you lost your way in the forest and can't figure out, despite obvious signs, which way is North.

T-



Okay so let me get this straight.........

There is no high sec pvp unless you steal from a can (which granted can baiting in high sec can be fun) or you are ganked mining or are in a war am I correct?

If I am then why would the player base disagree with this. If anything it would increase high sec pvp because you would only get your ship back. Players would still be able to loot your wreck and salvage it.

The only disadvantage I see it having is it would decrease low and null sec populations and all the uber elites wouldnt have a bunch of pvp noobs to beat up on am I correct or would it be the opposite because noobs wouldnt have an isk sink in ship replacements thus they could pvp more often and its more afordable.


Of course if you gank someone in highsec this program becomes null and void just like the insurance program now. Oh and if you pre madonnnas who wouldnt play if they did do this dont let the door smack you in the rump on the way out.


Discuss.............................................

Money is better than poverty, if only for financial reasons.
Serge Bastana
GWA Corp
#13 - 2012-02-20 21:52:37 UTC
This would just mean another reason to never step out of high sec, why go to low or null where you can actually lose ships when you can live in the warm, cozy safety blanket of high sec. Usually if you lose your ship in high sec it's your own fault for not taking the required precautions.

Plus it would wreck the economy. If you don't see why you just don't get the game.

WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place...

Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
#14 - 2012-02-20 22:36:26 UTC
Christy D Floyd wrote:


The only disadvantage I see it having is it would decrease low and null sec populations and all the uber elites wouldnt have a bunch of pvp noobs to beat up on am I correct or would it be the opposite because noobs wouldnt have an isk sink in ship replacements thus they could pvp more often and its more afordable.



Er.... wat?

You mean that a few carebears having their high-sec tears pinked away by mama-CCP because CCp feels sorry for their incompetence is going to somehow empty nullsec... LOL

O....k....

T-
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#15 - 2012-02-21 00:07:25 UTC
Tinu Moorhsum wrote:
Christy D Floyd wrote:


The only disadvantage I see it having is it would decrease low and null sec populations and all the uber elites wouldnt have a bunch of pvp noobs to beat up on am I correct or would it be the opposite because noobs wouldnt have an isk sink in ship replacements thus they could pvp more often and its more afordable.



Er.... wat?

You mean that a few carebears having their high-sec tears pinked away by mama-CCP because CCp feels sorry for their incompetence is going to somehow empty nullsec... LOL

O....k....

T-



What reason would anyone have to live in 0.0 when in Highsec they could lose officer fit machareiels all day every day for no loss of isk?
Pulgy
Doomheim
#16 - 2012-02-21 00:13:32 UTC
Yeah no. next.
No range? No problem!   Join the Church of the Holy Blaster™ . A Hybrid religion.
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#17 - 2012-02-21 00:16:20 UTC
This would kill the in game economy, which is unacceptable. And yes, if CCP went postal and implemented this, I would quit.
Tidurious
Blatant Alt Corp
#18 - 2012-02-21 05:12:56 UTC
Forgot to add this to my message earlier:

Please biomass yourself for the good of the community. At once.
Emperor Salazar
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#19 - 2012-02-21 05:16:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Emperor Salazar
Christy D Floyd wrote:
Boy did that get a heated response so let me ask you this to those who replied to this post. If CCP did implement this feature would you still play this game?


I'm fairly certain people with down syndrome are more intelligent than you.
Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks
#20 - 2012-02-21 05:27:46 UTC
Christy D Floyd wrote:

Okay so let me get this straight.........

There is no high sec pvp unless you steal from a can (which granted can baiting in high sec can be fun) or you are ganked mining or are in a war am I correct?

If I am then why would the player base disagree with this. If anything it would increase high sec pvp because you would only get your ship back. Players would still be able to loot your wreck and salvage it.

The only disadvantage I see it having is it would decrease low and null sec populations and all the uber elites wouldnt have a bunch of pvp noobs to beat up on am I correct or would it be the opposite because noobs wouldnt have an isk sink in ship replacements thus they could pvp more often and its more afordable.


Of course if you gank someone in highsec this program becomes null and void just like the insurance program now. Oh and if you pre madonnnas who wouldnt play if they did do this dont let the door smack you in the rump on the way out.


Discuss.............................................


EvE is a game with consequences. It's marketed that way. Perhaps if it were run by SOE they'd destroy it in this way but luckily for the rest of us it's owned, developed and run by CCP. Your proposal would break the game.

If, by some stroke of tardship, CCP did implement this I wouldn't quit. I'd wait until the following downtime which would be extended to allow them to roll it back. It would break the game. For peons like you who whine about ship losses and want everything to be handed to you I can see that without actually thinking about it this might seem like a good idea.

If you've read this forum even a little bit you'll realise that very few posts get this much flamage which should point you towards the fact that this is just simply a totally stupid idea.
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