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I finished EVE so im done? Solo Mission Runner - no real choice

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Goose99
#41 - 2011-09-20 16:33:58 UTC
Seraph Cruoris wrote:
I will vouch for what one of the earlier posters have said. If you want EVE and you want a solo experience id look into X3: Terran Conflict.. But put 5 years into that and you're also bound to be repeating missions. You've been around too long and you've stuck to the same gameplay element throughout (judging from what you said not from personal experience). Your brick wall and boredom was bound to happen; I don't think any developer designing and supporting an MMO expects you to stick to a solo play style for long as you have.


Hitting the brick wall in 5 years as opposed to 6 month means 5 and 1/2 years of extra subscription. Mission runners make up overwhelming majority of people who leave, yet there's still no new regular mission content for going on 5 years. CCP has got to be the only company out there so unconcerned about its bottom line.Roll
Emperor Salazar
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#42 - 2011-09-20 16:42:25 UTC
Goose99 wrote:
Seraph Cruoris wrote:
I will vouch for what one of the earlier posters have said. If you want EVE and you want a solo experience id look into X3: Terran Conflict.. But put 5 years into that and you're also bound to be repeating missions. You've been around too long and you've stuck to the same gameplay element throughout (judging from what you said not from personal experience). Your brick wall and boredom was bound to happen; I don't think any developer designing and supporting an MMO expects you to stick to a solo play style for long as you have.


Hitting the brick wall in 5 years as opposed to 6 month means 5 and 1/2 years of extra subscription. Mission runners make up overwhelming majority of people who leave, yet there's still no new regular mission content for going on 5 years. CCP has got to be the only company out there so unconcerned about its bottom line.Roll


I think the point is that CCP doesn't want its bottom line to be mission runners. They still make a profit. Could they make more if they just rolled out mission content? Probably. But they don't want that. They want the game they have dreamed of, not a game dedicated to mission grinding.

As much crap as people give CCP (myself included) I like that they stick to their guns, what they want for the game without selling out to the "majority."
Barbelo Valentinian
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2011-09-20 16:48:04 UTC
Vanguarder wrote:
I didn't mean to sound like i was complaining.

All I am saying, Is once you have worked up to level 4 missions, as a solo'er there is no where else to go if you can't / don't join corps.

In all the years since the game came out, that one fact has not changed. I guess the general feeling is there are so few solo-only players, who enjoy combat, that there is not a need to expand that part of the game.

Yes, I have a narrow focus in EVE and I have finished all I can do, so I'm done i guess.

no need to be defensive of the game people, I enjoyed it.


Exploration is your answer. Exploration is a fairly decent attempt by CCP to cater to the solo player. Learn how to navigate low and null sec, and you can be that renegade lone space captain who strikes it rich.

You have to have some patience for it, but it's the best way to feel like you're out in space on your own looking for interesting things.
Goose99
#44 - 2011-09-20 16:54:00 UTC
Emperor Salazar wrote:
Goose99 wrote:
Seraph Cruoris wrote:
I will vouch for what one of the earlier posters have said. If you want EVE and you want a solo experience id look into X3: Terran Conflict.. But put 5 years into that and you're also bound to be repeating missions. You've been around too long and you've stuck to the same gameplay element throughout (judging from what you said not from personal experience). Your brick wall and boredom was bound to happen; I don't think any developer designing and supporting an MMO expects you to stick to a solo play style for long as you have.


Hitting the brick wall in 5 years as opposed to 6 month means 5 and 1/2 years of extra subscription. Mission runners make up overwhelming majority of people who leave, yet there's still no new regular mission content for going on 5 years. CCP has got to be the only company out there so unconcerned about its bottom line.Roll


I think the point is that CCP doesn't want its bottom line to be mission runners. They still make a profit. Could they make more if they just rolled out mission content? Probably. But they don't want that. They want the game they have dreamed of, not a game dedicated to mission grinding.

As much crap as people give CCP (myself included) I like that they stick to their guns, what they want for the game without selling out to the "majority."


That's the problem. A business don't get to pick and choose paying customers. Even now, CCP's bottom line is still mission runners, despite having low retention rate and high turnover. All they did by ignoring the biggest part of their customer base is decrease its overall size and tanking revenue.

"The dream they dreamed of?" It's long gone. Now they dream of Dust, Incarna and god know whatever else. Eve is the neglected first born whored out to pay bills. It should have been about what customers want, not what CCP wants. The "majority" is you and Eve player base in general, and CCP is sticking to themselves.
Emperor Salazar
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#45 - 2011-09-20 17:00:00 UTC
Goose99 wrote:


That's the problem. A business don't get to pick and choose paying customers. Even now, CCP's bottom line is still mission runners, despite having low retention rate and high turnover. All they did by ignoring the biggest part of their customer base is decrease its overall size and tanking revenue.

"The dream they dreamed of?" It's long gone. Now they dream of Dust, Incarna and god know whatever else. Eve is the neglected first born whored out to pay bills. It should have been about what customers want, not what CCP wants. The "majority" is you and Eve player base in general, and CCP is sticking to themselves.


Spoken like a true cynic.

CCP wants Eve to be a space simulator. Incarna has been in their thoughts for years. Yes they're using it to demo crap for another game. However, I think its a great addition to expand eve. Hell, I can't wait to have "establishments" like bars and such. It'll be great to get away from just "internet spaceships."

CCP has always been a company that does their own damn thing. Mission runners may be a large source of CCP's revenue, but that's to be expected. No reason to cater to it. Give them the bare minimum and continue as planned. They should continue to create the game they want. If you don't like Eve, don't play it. They're still making a ton of money and having a great time, I'm sure.
Uzbeg Khan
Henehen Conflict Logistics
#46 - 2011-09-20 17:26:52 UTC
Emperor Salazar wrote:
Goose99 wrote:


That's the problem. A business don't get to pick and choose paying customers. Even now, CCP's bottom line is still mission runners, despite having low retention rate and high turnover. All they did by ignoring the biggest part of their customer base is decrease its overall size and tanking revenue.

"The dream they dreamed of?" It's long gone. Now they dream of Dust, Incarna and god know whatever else. Eve is the neglected first born whored out to pay bills. It should have been about what customers want, not what CCP wants. The "majority" is you and Eve player base in general, and CCP is sticking to themselves.


Spoken like a true cynic.

CCP wants Eve to be a space simulator. Incarna has been in their thoughts for years. Yes they're using it to demo crap for another game. However, I think its a great addition to expand eve. Hell, I can't wait to have "establishments" like bars and such. It'll be great to get away from just "internet spaceships."

CCP has always been a company that does their own damn thing. Mission runners may be a large source of CCP's revenue, but that's to be expected. No reason to cater to it. Give them the bare minimum and continue as planned. They should continue to create the game they want. If you don't like Eve, don't play it. They're still making a ton of money and having a great time, I'm sure.


Looking at the numbers, they sure aren't making alot of money. Their dream could very well end up with 64 players still in 0.0 and one guy mining in empire if they alienate the players that are paying their bills :)

Things I hate: - Signatures - Irony - Lists
Emperor Salazar
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#47 - 2011-09-20 17:29:22 UTC
Uzbeg Khan wrote:


Looking at the numbers, they sure aren't making alot of money. Their dream could very well end up with 64 players still in 0.0 and one guy mining in empire if they alienate the players that are paying their bills :)


Mild hyperbole I think...
Calfis
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#48 - 2011-09-20 17:43:38 UTC
Vanguarder wrote:
Emperor Salazar wrote:
Vanguarder wrote:
I can only solo, play times and other factors have made that clear to me over my 5 years of time with EVE.

High sec missions are boring, i've done them all many times.

The difference between 0.5 and 0.4 means you might as well build a brick wall.

As a solo'er I have no choice but to come to the conclusion CCP is not interested in supporting solo game play, progress or development, as shown by the amount of effort put into it since EVE came out.

one or two new missions, just the same old with different text, hardly makes progress.

Seriously, short of joining a corp, which I can't do, I have done all that I can do and guess i'm done?


Massive MULTIPLAYER Online Game.

Do you need further explanation?



Yes, there are MULTIPLE people playing all on the same servers



I dont think the above point has been explained by the OP. While itis true that there are multiple people on a single shard he did not explain why he is playing on a single shard with multiple players if he only intends to play with himself via PVE. As explained by others there are single player space sim games that accomplish this, so why play an MMO space sim if you don't intend to partake in the "MM" portion of it?
Uzbeg Khan
Henehen Conflict Logistics
#49 - 2011-09-20 19:29:24 UTC
Emperor Salazar wrote:
Uzbeg Khan wrote:


Looking at the numbers, they sure aren't making alot of money. Their dream could very well end up with 64 players still in 0.0 and one guy mining in empire if they alienate the players that are paying their bills :)


Mild hyperbole I think...


Wrote a rant about ccp development, but decided against posting it. Could have turned all my internet spaceships into DUST What?

Things I hate: - Signatures - Irony - Lists
Alaik
Lucifer's Hammer
A Band Apart.
#50 - 2011-09-21 08:20:38 UTC
Uzbeg Khan wrote:
Looking at the numbers, they sure aren't making alot of money. Their dream could very well end up with 64 players still in 0.0 and one guy mining in empire if they alienate the players that are paying their bills :)


On the other hand, that lone industrialist is going to make a fortune selling ships to the other 64 people. =)
Espiritu Santo
Sancta Trinitas Unus Deus
#51 - 2011-09-21 09:34:42 UTC
While i agree with all the haters stating its an MMOPRG.......this is completely true.

But in life....we are never in the company of X amount of people 24/7, and everyone enjoys their own company at some point or another some more than others.

A few years back it was very easy to run solo and to run in groups, and everyone had the best of both worlds...

CCP set out to destroy the solo possibility for what ever reason.


I personally wish they hadn't, as now you have to choose which Blob to join or die.

And OP you are completey right about the missions being tedious and essentially boring, the only other thing you can successfully solo these days is mining, and i would simply not advise you to venture into PvP if you prefer the solo style, because as it stands at the moment......

PvP comprises of who has the biggets blob.
Lady Go Diveher
Doomheim
#52 - 2011-09-21 13:04:09 UTC
Mission runners aren't a problem, nor should they be catered for.

They come. They grind. They fail to grasp any initiative. They leave. The next batch come.

Eve has always been intended to be a sandbox game, and to that end, the "goal" is for the majority to live in nullsec. Ergo, why all the development ideas are centering around 0.0 development and fixes.
Lady Go Diveher
Doomheim
#53 - 2011-09-21 13:05:55 UTC
Espiritu Santo wrote:
PvP comprises of who has the biggets blob.


I do enjoy blanket statements like this from people who have zero experience in doing it.
Emperor Salazar
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#54 - 2011-09-21 13:15:00 UTC
Lady Go Diveher wrote:
Mission runners aren't a problem, nor should they be catered for.

They come. They grind. They fail to grasp any initiative. They leave. The next batch come.

Eve has always been intended to be a sandbox game, and to that end, the "goal" is for the majority to live in nullsec. Ergo, why all the development ideas are centering around 0.0 development and fixes.


This guy gets it.

The guy above him....clearly does not.
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#55 - 2011-09-21 14:10:21 UTC  |  Edited by: mxzf
Espiritu Santo wrote:


CCP set out to destroy the solo possibility for what ever reason.


I personally wish they hadn't, as now you have to choose which Blob to join or die.

And OP you are completey right about the missions being tedious and essentially boring, the only other thing you can successfully solo these days is mining, and i would simply not advise you to venture into PvP if you prefer the solo style, because as it stands at the moment......

PvP comprises of who has the biggets blob.


Bolded the only true part in here. Edit: Hmm, bold doesn't work too well on the forums, now I underlined it too.

Missions and mining are very much NOT the only things you can do solo, there's tons of things you can do solo. Most stuff might not be the same "accept mission, go kill some rats, accept next mission" or "lock rock, start strip miners, lock next rock" grind that missions and mining are, but if you actually want to do something interesting with your game, there's tons of stuff to do.

And anyone can do solo PvP if you are smart and choose your targets well. No, you might not always win like you will against rats, but where's the fun in that anyways? There are plenty of solo PvPers out there, it's not just blobs galaxy-wide 23/7, you just have to be willing to go look for targets and fly smart.
Goose99
#56 - 2011-09-21 14:30:25 UTC
mxzf wrote:

And anyone can do solo PvP if you are smart and choose your targets well. No, you might not always win like you will against rats, but where's the fun in that anyways? There are plenty of solo PvPers out there, it's not just blobs galaxy-wide 23/7, you just have to be willing to go look for targets and fly smart.


The problem is what you consider to be "pvp" and the traditional definition of pvp. Cloaky Proteus ganking a unsuspecting transport does not fit the traditional definition, where both sides have the capability to fight. It's just gank. And no, not all of us get off on wandering for hours and then get a free and challenge-less kill.Roll
Emperor Salazar
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#57 - 2011-09-21 14:42:07 UTC
Goose99 wrote:
mxzf wrote:

And anyone can do solo PvP if you are smart and choose your targets well. No, you might not always win like you will against rats, but where's the fun in that anyways? There are plenty of solo PvPers out there, it's not just blobs galaxy-wide 23/7, you just have to be willing to go look for targets and fly smart.


The problem is what you consider to be "pvp" and the traditional definition of pvp. Cloaky Proteus ganking a unsuspecting transport does not fit the traditional definition, where both sides have the capability to fight. It's just gank. And no, not all of us get off on wandering for hours and then get a free and challenge-less kill.Roll


pvp means player v. player

gank is just a form of pvp

if you want old-west style duels, Eve is probably not for you
Goose99
#58 - 2011-09-21 14:52:28 UTC
Emperor Salazar wrote:
Goose99 wrote:
mxzf wrote:

And anyone can do solo PvP if you are smart and choose your targets well. No, you might not always win like you will against rats, but where's the fun in that anyways? There are plenty of solo PvPers out there, it's not just blobs galaxy-wide 23/7, you just have to be willing to go look for targets and fly smart.


The problem is what you consider to be "pvp" and the traditional definition of pvp. Cloaky Proteus ganking a unsuspecting transport does not fit the traditional definition, where both sides have the capability to fight. It's just gank. And no, not all of us get off on wandering for hours and then get a free and challenge-less kill.Roll


pvp means player v. player

gank is just a form of pvp

if you want old-west style duels, Eve is probably not for you


As can be expected from TEST. There was a time when blobbing and kb humping wasn't all there is in Eve. Back then, there were many more pvpers in proportion to carebears as well. Then the pvpers left, carebears continue to join then leave after average of 6 month due to lack of mission content, and we're left with... people like you.Lol
Emperor Salazar
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#59 - 2011-09-21 15:07:08 UTC
Goose99 wrote:


As can be expected from TEST. There was a time when blobbing and kb humping wasn't all there is in Eve. Back then, there were many more pvpers in proportion to carebears as well. Then the pvpers left, carebears continue to join then leave after average of 6 month due to lack of mission content, and we're left with... people like you.Lol


Awww thats adorable. You connect my personal opinions to an alliance I've been in for <30 days. Aren't you just to die for.

But really, its been like this for years. Are there blobs? Yes. They're called fleets. There are also small roaming gangs. There are also solo roamers. There are also black ops gank squads.

The whole "back in my day" thing is cute though. You should definitely keep going with that argument.

I'm sorry, but are you living in a hole or are you just delusional?

PS: I'm as much of a carebear as I am a pvper, if not more so. But you keep on making assumptions, it seems to be working really well for you.
Goose99
#60 - 2011-09-21 15:15:22 UTC
Emperor Salazar wrote:
Goose99 wrote:


As can be expected from TEST. There was a time when blobbing and kb humping wasn't all there is in Eve. Back then, there were many more pvpers in proportion to carebears as well. Then the pvpers left, carebears continue to join then leave after average of 6 month due to lack of mission content, and we're left with... people like you.Lol


Awww thats adorable. You connect my personal opinions to an alliance I've been in for <30 days. Aren't you just to die for.

But really, its been like this for years. Are there blobs? Yes. They're called fleets. There are also small roaming gangs. There are also solo roamers. There are also black ops gank squads.

The whole "back in my day" thing is cute though. You should definitely keep going with that argument.

I'm sorry, but are you living in a hole or are you just delusional?

PS: I'm as much of a carebear as I am a pvper, if not more so. But you keep on making assumptions, it seems to be working really well for you.


So many words just to say nothing.Roll

Yeah, Eve changed because worthwhile people left - the trend to mmo's lifespan...