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Will Minmitar-Amarr relations improve?
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Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#81 - 2012-02-18 19:23:55 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Will relations be improved with the alleged end to slavery coming along? After all much of why the Republic despises the Empire is because of Slavery. Of course the Empire can never be forgiven for what they've done, but surely taking off the shackles would improve relations, wouldn't it?



I must admit that is very optimistic of you.

I on other hand believe that mass suicide of whole empire is more like it than Amarr people actually working for their own bread.

Imagine that heresy!!!

God clearly said somewhere "don't work you will hurt your back."

You choke behind a smile a fake behind the fear

Because >>I is too hard
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#82 - 2012-02-18 19:57:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyn Farel
Caellach Marellus wrote:
Drasden wrote:
Khanid Kingdom (Which, I will point out, is somewhat more advanced than that of the Republic or Federation).


Putting missile weapon systems on heavy armour ships is hardly advanced, even Roden's managed to achieve that.


Don't be so caustic, it is not really surprising for a lot of patriots to hold their own technology in very high esteem...
Ares Renton
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#83 - 2012-02-18 20:06:38 UTC
Caellach Marellus wrote:
Drasden wrote:
Khanid Kingdom (Which, I will point out, is somewhat more advanced than that of the Republic or Federation).


Putting missile weapon systems on heavy armour ships is hardly advanced, even Roden's managed to achieve that.


Just stop to think for a moment and you'll realize that missile weapons are the most advanced form of warfare in new Eden. Nanite armor isn't very low tech either.

By the way, is the Gallente navy still flying 300 year-old ship designs?

And for that matter, aren't the majority of Minmatar designs stolen from pirates?
Astrid Stjerna
Sebiestor Tribe
#84 - 2012-02-18 21:09:33 UTC
Ares Renton wrote:

By the way, is the Gallente navy still flying 300 year-old ship designs?

And for that matter, aren't the majority of Minmatar designs stolen from pirates?


They work, don't they?

I can't get rid of my darn signature!  Oh, wait....
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#85 - 2012-02-18 21:47:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Caellach Marellus
Drasden wrote:
Caellach Marellus wrote:

Putting missile weapon systems on heavy armour ships is hardly advanced, even Roden's managed to achieve that.


Did I point to the armour/missile combination as proof of the Kingdom's technological advantage? I don't recall doing so.


From someone who has flown Khanid ships, there's really not much else to them than that. Though I'm curious as to what gives you the impression that the Khanid Navy is kept more up to date than most others, considering the Empires are at war and only recently just put out new Battlecruisers, as well as the overhauling of Hybrid weaponry systems by both the Federation and the State. I'd say everyone is keeping up to date.

Ares Renton wrote:
Just stop to think for a moment and you'll realize that missile weapons are the most advanced form of warfare in new Eden. Nanite armor isn't very low tech either.


I wouldn't say there's much to make them more advanced than Railguns or Lasor weaponry, a propellant based weapon system with a warhead on the front, Missiles have existed for eons.

The person I replied to was talking about how the Khanid were more advanced than the Gallente. I made a point that mixing missiles with Nanite reinforced armour is hardly Khanid exclusive.


Ares Renton wrote:
By the way, is the Gallente navy still flying 300 year-old ship designs?


Modern variation of but yes, they keep the Dominix hull in use. It's one of the best examples of Drone Warfare, unless the Gallente ever improve on it it'll continue to see benefit. It's like the Augoror design, that thing's been around longer than either of us.

Their main Navy staple seems to be Megathrons though, that hull's what, 20 or so years old? I believe the Thorax isn't that old either. Not forgetting the various hulls that have come into service in the last few years.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#86 - 2012-02-18 23:52:49 UTC
This is quickly derailing from the topic at hand, (perhaps worth a separate thread) but a brief note regarding the RKN;

The Khanid Navy has such an excellent reputation for a few reasons:

Mainly, repeatedly stopping cold and repelling Amarr Empire invasions over the last 500 years. Outnumbered and out-gunned, the RKN had to adapt, and quickly, in order to maintain independence.

This is why the Kingdom shares many qualities and technology with the State. Like the State which has had to repeatedly fight against a much larger military force (The Federation), they can only hope to prevail by staying ahead on the technology front, training harder, and making it the responsibility of every subject (or citizen) to ensure their way of life continues.


--

There is of course a caveat in that yes, the Kingdom has stopped many Imperial invasions in the past, but we know that the entirety of the Imperial Navy was not involved.

Something many of you people forget is that the Empire controls more territory than any other Faction. With two to three times the number of settled star systems across the largest border in all of New Eden, this also equates to two to three times the resources to protect and patrol.

So yes, you end up with a rough parity of military strength along say, the Matari / Amarr border, but that is only because 4/5 of the rest of the Empire's ships are elsewhere.

Were the empire ever to gather all forces into one front and push forward, I daresay none could stand against. Of course the undefended regions would be quite vulnerable...

-End Idle Speculation-








Sabik now, Sabik forever
Drasden
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#87 - 2012-02-19 05:40:07 UTC
Caellach Marellus wrote:
From someone who has flown Khanid ships, there's really not much else to them than that. Though I'm curious as to what gives you the impression that the Khanid Navy is kept more up to date than most others, considering the Empires are at war and only recently just put out new Battlecruisers, as well as the overhauling of Hybrid weaponry systems by both the Federation and the State. I'd say everyone is keeping up to date.


I do not have to repeat myself to the slaves under my watch, but it seems I must repeat myself to you. Perhaps there is practical benefit to enslavement after all.

The latest battlecruisers and the updated hybrid weapons are part of the bleeding-edge technology that we use exclusively and the empire factions use in bits and pieces. I'll spell it out for you: Capsuleers are almost indescribably wealthy, have unprecedented skill, but are few in number. Baseliners are by comparison sluggish and destitute, but number in the trillions. This produces two very different economies: we can afford and by nature of our competition require the very latest versions of whatever ships we're flying, while baseliner factions need to field massive fleets to cover their territory and by virtue of their population find it far more economical to mass-produce older designs.

Just how old these designs are does, however, vary from faction to faction. The State is certainly the most advanced of the CONCORD sanctioned factions, possessing few ships more than a decade old. The Empire is indisputably the least advanced, with designs nearly a century old still in service. The Khanid Kingdom, in keeping with its policy of 'not getting annexed', has devoted a disproportinately large part of its budget to keeping its ships updated nearly as thoroughly as the State, meaning that the average Royal Khanid Navy Apocalypse is closer in design to what we fly than the Imperial counterpart because, though both factions have access to roughly the same level of technology, the Kingdom actually implements it.
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#88 - 2012-02-19 17:22:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Caellach Marellus
Drasden wrote:
I do not have to repeat myself to the slaves under my watch, but it seems I must repeat myself to you. Perhaps there is practical benefit to enslavement after all.


Of course, how dare you have your opinions questioned by your equal? A tyrannical godcomplex grip over everyone else is completely rational and better for everyone.

See now we've come full circle, will relations improve? Not when the above opinion is still in existence.



As to the rest of your post, the RKN is also significantly smaller than say the Amarr or Federation navies. However while the main bulk of their ships are old designs, both the IN and the FN compliment their forces with Capsuleer equivalent tech. The Empress' own fleet stands testament to that, as does the increasing number of ships from Roden's personal navy that are seen alongside Federal forces, and policing their borders.

It might not be the status quo, but they're not below using it.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.
Drasden
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#89 - 2012-02-20 10:17:25 UTC
Caellach Marellus wrote:
Of course, how dare you have your opinions questioned by your equal? A tyrannical godcomplex grip over everyone else is completely rational and better for everyone.

See now we've come full circle, will relations improve? Not when the above opinion is still in existence.


It was not that you disagreed with me, it was that you didn't grasp what I was saying. Slaves seem to pick up on it fairly quickly, but you look to have just taken from my argument whatever was most convenient for you, and then replied with something that betrayed a lack of understanding.

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As to the rest of your post, the RKN is also significantly smaller than say the Amarr or Federation navies. However while the main bulk of their ships are old designs, both the IN and the FN compliment their forces with Capsuleer equivalent tech. The Empress' own fleet stands testament to that, as does the increasing number of ships from Roden's personal navy that are seen alongside Federal forces, and policing their borders.

It might not be the status quo, but they're not below using it.


No they are not but that was, once again, not my point: The Royal Navy is overall more advanced, and so (In this theoretical world where the Republic and Federation decided to invade the Empire) Kingdom ships facing off against Republic or Federation ships would almost always enjoy a technological advantage. Unless of course that coalition decided to focus their more advanced designs against Kingdom forces, which would be rather silly considering the larger and more advanced State Navy would almost certainly join in.