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How best to jam sleepers?
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Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#1 - 2012-02-19 22:04:15 UTC
As a part of my ongoing efforts to optimise / maximise my w-space income I'd like to try jamming sleepers and farming some of my sites.

I am not sure of how best to approach the jamming. My undersanding is that sleepers use a combined targeting system with 30 points in each of grav, ladar, mag, & radar modes.

So what would I be best to use to perma-jam a single remaining sleeper? One each system-specific jammer (plus multis in any extra slots) or as many multis as I can mount?

Also does anyone see any particular ship as being way-superior for this purpose? It seems to me that the main choice is between a dedicated scorpion (ECM range bonus but middling strength bonus), falcon (covops, good ECM strength bonus but no ECM range bonus, poor drone bay), rook (good ECM strength bonus but no ECM range bonus, slightly better drone bay), or a t3 (not as powerful a jammer as either scorp or caldari recons it seems).

I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-02-20 01:35:32 UTC
Makes no diference what race jammer you use so use racials, not multis.
Generally jamming sleepers is a waste of time since any ship youre using to jam them is not doing DPS.
Way back when in CCRES we used you run guardians + T3s in C6s and we'd generally bring 1 armour ecm tengu along to reduce the DPS a little and draw agro.

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Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#3 - 2012-02-20 01:43:56 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
Makes no diference what race jammer you use so use racials, not multis.
Generally jamming sleepers is a waste of time since any ship youre using to jam them is not doing DPS.


Thanks Jack. I will test a multiple-racial-ECM fitted scorp / falcon in sisi tonite.

My intended jamming is not for site completion, quite the opposite.

The farming plan is to run the site up to the point that it is one ship short of completion, then perma-jam that last ship and bring in the noctis to loot / salvage. After DT the site respawns (not yet sure of those dynamics ... whether it's whole site or just last not-completed wave) and you get to do the same again. This will give you 3 or 4 respawns for each anomaly, it continues to exist until the 'natural' despawn timer expires.

My alternative approach is to use my sleeper combat-salvager (a dedicated phoon), but jamming and noctis is going to be so much quicker ... if I get the jamming part right.

I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-02-20 02:28:43 UTC
Substantia Nigra wrote:
Jack Miton wrote:
Makes no diference what race jammer you use so use racials, not multis.
Generally jamming sleepers is a waste of time since any ship youre using to jam them is not doing DPS.


Thanks Jack. I will test a multiple-racial-ECM fitted scorp / falcon in sisi tonite.

My intended jamming is not for site completion, quite the opposite.

The farming plan is to run the site up to the point that it is one ship short of completion, then perma-jam that last ship and bring in the noctis to loot / salvage. After DT the site respawns (not yet sure of those dynamics ... whether it's whole site or just last not-completed wave) and you get to do the same again. This will give you 3 or 4 respawns for each anomaly, it continues to exist until the 'natural' despawn timer expires.

My alternative approach is to use my sleeper combat-salvager (a dedicated phoon), but jamming and noctis is going to be so much quicker ... if I get the jamming part right.


I may have to try this for lols.

I do know i had a partially completed site a few weeks ago (had unfriendlies enter the system). I had just spawned the first wave and bugged out. After downtime the spawned wave was still there plus another set of the original wave.
Arazel Chainfire
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-02-20 02:45:35 UTC
To be honest, I wouldn't bother trying to do the jamming. I would drop a tanked noctis, t3, marauder, orca, or rorqual for the looting/salvaging. Just kill everything except a non-scramming frigate/cruiser. The big point here isn't so much to get the site the next day, but to get the capital escalation the next day.

-Arazel
Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#6 - 2012-02-20 03:01:16 UTC
I was going to edit and comment that the real benefit of this approach comes out when you're using it to obtain 4 x 4 capital escalations from each anom, but arazel beat me to it :-)

I'm not up to capital escalations yet, hek I am only just up to C5 solo ... but that is, obviously, where I am trying to head. For me, atm, the loot / salvage from C5 respawns (sans cap escalations) is well worth the effort if I can get the mechanics safely sorted.

I've used the combat salvager approach previously ... a dedicated phoon when I was learning how to 'solo' C4 radar/mag sites ... and wanted to try a different approach this time. I will give a sisi-falcon a test run and see how she performs.

I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-02-20 04:12:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Jack Miton
Substantia Nigra wrote:
Jack Miton wrote:
Makes no diference what race jammer you use so use racials, not multis.
Generally jamming sleepers is a waste of time since any ship youre using to jam them is not doing DPS.


Thanks Jack. I will test a multiple-racial-ECM fitted scorp / falcon in sisi tonite.

My intended jamming is not for site completion, quite the opposite.

The farming plan is to run the site up to the point that it is one ship short of completion, then perma-jam that last ship and bring in the noctis to loot / salvage. After DT the site respawns (not yet sure of those dynamics ... whether it's whole site or just last not-completed wave) and you get to do the same again. This will give you 3 or 4 respawns for each anomaly, it continues to exist until the 'natural' despawn timer expires.

My alternative approach is to use my sleeper combat-salvager (a dedicated phoon), but jamming and noctis is going to be so much quicker ... if I get the jamming part right.



yeah sure, you dont really need to jam it tho.
if it's a frig/cruiser trigger, a noctis can tank it with 2 LSEs and 2 SPRs.
fit a warp stab if the trigger scrams.
if it's a BS trigger, stick a dc, eanm and 800 plate on the noctis and keep a carrier on field to rep it.

EDIT: some more info below

as for the respawn mechanics, the only things that respawn are the triggers.
ie: if a site starts with 3 turrets, 5 frigs, 5 cruisers with cruisers being the trigger and you keep it up with 1 cruiser, after DT there will be 5 cruisers at it. frigs and turrets wont respwan.
this is not totally acurate on some sites, for example in a c6 core citadel the trigger is the warden BS but the keeper BS will also respawn.

as a note, the reason you would do this is that the capital escalations also reset which means you can run another full capital escalation after DT on the same site.

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Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#8 - 2012-02-20 09:59:30 UTC
Tested ... with very nearly fatal conclusions.

Absolutely no problems establishing and maintaining permajam v sleeper frigate.
Cruiser got a volley off at me before jam established, but then was permajam.
Elite battleship was jammed very quickly, but just when I thought he was permajammed he broke thru and had me scrammed and in armor before the jamming 'took' again. after that he was breaking out often enough to hassle me bigtime. One volley and all my alarms were going off.

Problem was prolly my not-great EW skills (lvl3 sig disp) coupled with only fitting five jammers to the falcon (one of each racial and one multi, augmented with rigs and 3 x lowslot mods). I'll train up a skill level or two and try again.

I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.
Cyniac
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-02-20 10:05:37 UTC
Substantia Nigra wrote:
Tested ... with very nearly fatal conclusions.


Though not something I'd do myself - thanks for sharing.
Hathrul
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-02-20 12:29:06 UTC
Substantia Nigra wrote:
Tested ... with very nearly fatal conclusions.

Absolutely no problems establishing and maintaining permajam v sleeper frigate.
Cruiser got a volley off at me before jam established, but then was permajam.
Elite battleship was jammed very quickly, but just when I thought he was permajammed he broke thru and had me scrammed and in armor before the jamming 'took' again. after that he was breaking out often enough to hassle me bigtime. One volley and all my alarms were going off.

Problem was prolly my not-great EW skills (lvl3 sig disp) coupled with only fitting five jammers to the falcon (one of each racial and one multi, augmented with rigs and 3 x lowslot mods). I'll train up a skill level or two and try again.


use a rook or scorpion. its not that uncommon to loose a jam cycle, so use something with more ehp. a falcon is a bit too fragile imo
Scien Inkunen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-02-20 12:40:02 UTC
Far as I know, they switch the fire on any ship that is jamming them - maybe I am wrong ...

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Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#12 - 2012-02-20 20:59:50 UTC
Hathrul wrote:

use a rook or scorpion. its not that uncommon to loose a jam cycle, so use something with more ehp. a falcon is a bit too fragile imo


Thanks, I probably will use a scorp in the end, since I have a bundle of hulls I built a while ago. But I will get my skills up a little further first.

I am still chuckling at the result. There I was happily bragging about my success in chat-channel, when all the alarms start wailing and my poor wee falcon is scrammed, webbed, neuted and going very HUD-red very quickly. Evil sleepers :-)

I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.