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Hornet EC-300 Drones
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Tallianna Avenkarde
Pyre of Gods
#21 - 2012-02-19 18:02:00 UTC
what the heck?

5 drones dont equal 5 jam strength, they equal 5 attempts at 1 jam strength.

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Banechild
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#22 - 2012-02-19 20:01:03 UTC
e-war drones have a stacking penalties on them hence 5x drones on one target are best solution.
So 5x light ecm equal 5x separate, strength 1 multi spectral- jammers, mediums 1.5 and heavy is 2.5 and obviously you need only one to get a jam making sense to have all 5 on one target as you might imagine.
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
#23 - 2012-02-19 22:25:03 UTC
T2 multi spectrum ecms have 3 jamming streangth.
5 Light ECM drones have 1 jamming streangth each.
Drones do not have 5 jamming potential when all are trying to jam same ship.
5 to 3 is 1.66 to 1. Meaning if all 5 drones are on different targets that have same sensor streangth as the one ship the multi spec ecm is on that the odds of one jam happening are 66% more likely for the drones. This percentage drops based on how many drones are on one target and what the sensor streanght of the target is.

5 light ECM drones get 60% jam chance on a 5 sensor streangth target. Same chance as one T2 multi spectrum ecm.
(( Drones lost 40% of the max jamming potential on this size ship due to stacking))

5 light ECM drones get ((roughly)) 14.4% chance on a 30 sensor streangth target. T2 Multi sectrum ecm gets 10%.
(( Drones lost 2.2% of the max jamming potential on this size ship due to stacking))

With the multi spectrum having the ablilty to overheat you can see how on small single targets it can out preform light ecm drones by 20% not including any flight time.

On larger targets the multi spectrum is far weaker then 5 Light ECM drones even if you include the over heating. 44.4% increase on a RS without flight time and overheating being accounted for. With over heating and flight time it's roughly 20%.

Conclusion is spread your drones out a bit when you can. (( Especially on smaller targets! ))
Drones are better v.s. larger targets then single T2 multi spectrum ecm.
Kessiaan
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2012-02-19 23:59:00 UTC
If you get jumped by a gang of multiple people you'll have multiple points on you and unless you're the luckiest SOB in EvE that day you won't jam all them simultaneously.

Now, not all is lost, but ECM drones are the last line of defense in a pve ship. Ideally, you should see them coming in in local and on your directional scanner, and you should be out before the first tackler even shows up.

But, if you do get caught, the key is to remember that at first it'll just be one guy. You'll have about 30-45 seconds (most of the time) to GTFO before his buddies land and you're hosed. You won't kill any competent tackler in that amount of time, but if you put your hornets on him, align out, and spam the warp button like your ass is on fire the odds are better than not that you'll get a jam cycle off and warp out, especially if he's in something small, like an interceptor, and you haven't completely gimped your lock time by flying a cloak/stabbed battleship or the like.

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Rel'k Bloodlor
Federation Front Line Report
Federation Front Line
#25 - 2012-02-20 01:17:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Rel'k Bloodlor
Offence Ewar>logi>DPS
Defence tackle>DPS>Ewar>logi

Defence is not all there for, but you can't relay on them for offence because of the heavy chance based nature of light ecm drones. Instead try to use them to gain leverage and explode it.

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Liam Mirren
#26 - 2012-02-20 06:35:09 UTC
Ireland VonVicious wrote:
5 light ecm get 5 jam streangth but need 5 different targets in order to have them opperate at a full 5 since they reduce eachother total chance as they stack due to over lap.

One ecm multispectral T2 gets 3 jam streangth.

In short your statement is mostly false. I say mostly since if your target has exactly 5 sensor streangth and you are using all drones on same target they do have the exact same jam chance as a T2 Multispectral (60%).



There's no diminishing returns, they all have their own 1/(target SS) chance. The last bit in your post doesn't make much sense at all.

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Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#27 - 2012-02-20 10:40:26 UTC
Bear in mind also that burning back to gate and sticking ECM drones on someone will land you with a combat aggression timer, so you won't be able to jump even assuming you reach the gate.....
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
#28 - 2012-02-20 17:50:29 UTC
Liam Mirren wrote:
Ireland VonVicious wrote:
5 light ecm get 5 jam streangth but need 5 different targets in order to have them opperate at a full 5 since they reduce eachother total chance as they stack due to over lap.

One ecm multispectral T2 gets 3 jam streangth.

In short your statement is mostly false. I say mostly since if your target has exactly 5 sensor streangth and you are using all drones on same target they do have the exact same jam chance as a T2 Multispectral (60%).



There's no diminishing returns, they all have their own 1/(target SS) chance. The last bit in your post doesn't make much sense at all.


Your missing that every so many times they pull off that same 1(target SS) chance at the same time.
Two jams at the same time is no better then landing one jam. This is where the waste or dimminishing return comes into factor.


Simple example:
Two 50% chances does not = 100% chance since half of the second 50% is over lapping with the first.
Two 50% chances = 75% chance.
Flipping a quarter twice you have a 25% chance to not land on tails at all.
F'lix
AP Ventures Ltd.
#29 - 2012-02-20 19:37:59 UTC
Hey Balc,

Assuming you A) Don't want to die and B) Wish to escape to a safe or celestial and C) You don't have much in the way of fire-power, I'd say spread the drones to two targets and pray. Spreading between 3+ targets has a very low chance of complete success.

Assuming you're rolling with Shockwave's usual band... One flight of drones per target, shoot those excluded in the drone spread. But I suppose this is strictly for solo-scenarios!

Hope things are well,
F'lix

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Pulgy
Doomheim
#30 - 2012-02-20 23:56:13 UTC
Balcanis wrote:
What do you think would be the best way to use pack of 5 EC-300 drones when you get jumped by a gang of few people - focused fire or not?


Doesn't matter. When you use them they never work, when someone else uses them on you they're overpowered.
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NaturalBeast
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2012-02-21 00:19:24 UTC
Your best shot is to use them on the tacklers to get range. Once your aligned and out of scram range they did their job.
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