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L5's in a Nighthawk
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Rothanaya
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-02-18 17:22:59 UTC
So I recently gained enough standings with my mission running corp to be able to run L5's. And since I'm not too far away from a Nighthawk in training (all I need is Cal Cruiser 5) I was wondering if it would be a good idea to train it up and use it for that purpose.

Of course, NH's aren't the most efficient isk grinding machines, especially when passive tanked for L5's, so I'm curious as to whether or not I'd actually make more isk/hr doing this than I would just running L4's in my Maelstrom. L5's seem to be horribly documented in terms of their profits, so I have no idea.

Anyway; is it worth it?
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#2 - 2012-02-18 17:28:18 UTC
You do realise level five missions are exclusively in low sec, right?

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log
Rothanaya
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-02-18 17:33:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Rothanaya
Bumblefck wrote:
You do realise level five missions are exclusively in low sec, right?


Yes, I haven't been living under a rock. I'm not one of those people who's going to go "omahgawd losec" and avoid it like the plague because I'm too dumb to use a scout / MWD + cloak trick.

Anyhow, do you know the answer or not? Oh wait, I forgot that Bumblefck doesn't make useful poasts.
Sam Bowein
Sense Amid Madness
#4 - 2012-02-18 21:15:34 UTC
Rothanaya wrote:
Bumblefck wrote:
You do realise level five missions are exclusively in low sec, right?


Yes, I haven't been living under a rock. I'm not one of those people who's going to go "omahgawd losec" and avoid it like the plague because I'm too dumb to use a scout / MWD + cloak trick.

Anyhow, do you know the answer or not? Oh wait, I forgot that Bumblefck doesn't make useful poasts.

It's not about getting through gatecamps, it's about being able to finish you mission.

L5s in a Nighthawk will take you forever. You huge signature will make you extremely easy to find. You won't be able to mission more than 5min before you have probes on scan (unless it's a deserted system of course)
Rothanaya
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-02-18 21:18:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Rothanaya
Sam Bowein wrote:
Rothanaya wrote:
Bumblefck wrote:
You do realise level five missions are exclusively in low sec, right?


Yes, I haven't been living under a rock. I'm not one of those people who's going to go "omahgawd losec" and avoid it like the plague because I'm too dumb to use a scout / MWD + cloak trick.

Anyhow, do you know the answer or not? Oh wait, I forgot that Bumblefck doesn't make useful poasts.

It's not about getting through gatecamps, it's about being able to finish you mission.

L5s in a Nighthawk will take you forever. You huge signature will make you extremely easy to find. You won't be able to mission more than 5min before you have probes on scan (unless it's a deserted system of course)


Have you ever been in losec? 90% of the systems are deserted. And the ones which aren't completely empty aren't exactly brimming with activity, full of pirate griefers going "ooh somebody entered system quickly scan him down!!!"

Unless I end up with a mission in somewhere like Tama, Amamake or Rancer, it's hardly as catastrophic as so many people seem to think. I used to do tons of exploration in lowsec, and only once did somebody try to probe me down.

Of course I'll get interrupted a few times, but it's not as though I'm going to have to spend hours at a time docked up because of it.

So, does anybody know the answer or not?
Sam Bowein
Sense Amid Madness
#6 - 2012-02-18 21:39:42 UTC
For you answer, yes it is very much worth it, if you are not interrupted too often and are able to finish it.
Niko Lorenzio
United Eve Directorate
#7 - 2012-02-18 22:07:49 UTC
Would you be interested in running missions together? It would be a lot faster with a lot less Risk if we do Drake/Armageddon combo.

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Perkone
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-02-19 09:21:03 UTC
Nothing says "L5 mission runner" better than a nighthawk and a bunch of npc wrecks on d-scan.
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#9 - 2012-02-19 11:25:22 UTC
Rothanaya wrote:
Bumblefck wrote:
You do realise level five missions are exclusively in low sec, right?


Yes, I haven't been living under a rock. I'm not one of those people who's going to go "omahgawd losec" and avoid it like the plague because I'm too dumb to use a scout / MWD + cloak trick.

Anyhow, do you know the answer or not? Oh wait, I forgot that Bumblefck doesn't make useful poasts.



Your initial post makes you sound very naiive. You're asking a question which, had you been sufficiently clued up, would be unneccessary.

You will be scanned down because people like me like scanning down other people. You will die.

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#10 - 2012-02-19 11:25:56 UTC
Nice strawman too, by the way.

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log
Kapitain Zino
Doomheim
#11 - 2012-02-19 11:28:53 UTC
Rothanaya wrote:
So I recently gained enough standings with my mission running corp to be able to run L5's. And since I'm not too far away from a Nighthawk in training (all I need is Cal Cruiser 5) I was wondering if it would be a good idea to train it up and use it for that purpose.

Of course, NH's aren't the most efficient isk grinding machines, especially when passive tanked for L5's, so I'm curious as to whether or not I'd actually make more isk/hr doing this than I would just running L4's in my Maelstrom. L5's seem to be horribly documented in terms of their profits, so I have no idea.

Anyway; is it worth it?



If you concentrate on lvl5s a nighthawk is definetly a good choice. I've done them in a drake (takes a bit longer), and the nighthawk is the better drake Lol

Be aware though that those Lvl5 systems are highly frequented by pirates and add probes to your overvew. If the mission have not a gate you could be aproached by cloakie Attention

Btw, did you try some incursions? They have better ISK/h ratio and you are safer. You could take a shiny ship there too.

Regards,

Zino
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#12 - 2012-02-19 11:31:11 UTC
Rothanaya wrote:


So, does anybody know the answer or not?




The answer is very obviously 'no' - it's not worth it in the slightest if you're running them in a Nighthawk. Your ISK income will be on a par with or probably even lower than running lvl4s in a Tengu or somesuch, as your firepower will be really quite anaemic. Plus, as others have said, your 'uber' passively tanked NH's sig will be so big scanning you down will be trivial - plus, also, the fact that most lvl5 systems and their environs have a resident pirate population, to take advantage of foolish and greedy carebears such as yourself.

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log
Rothanaya
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-02-19 15:49:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Rothanaya
Kapitain Zino wrote:
Rothanaya wrote:
So I recently gained enough standings with my mission running corp to be able to run L5's. And since I'm not too far away from a Nighthawk in training (all I need is Cal Cruiser 5) I was wondering if it would be a good idea to train it up and use it for that purpose.

Of course, NH's aren't the most efficient isk grinding machines, especially when passive tanked for L5's, so I'm curious as to whether or not I'd actually make more isk/hr doing this than I would just running L4's in my Maelstrom. L5's seem to be horribly documented in terms of their profits, so I have no idea.

Anyway; is it worth it?



If you concentrate on lvl5s a nighthawk is definetly a good choice. I've done them in a drake (takes a bit longer), and the nighthawk is the better drake Lol

Be aware though that those Lvl5 systems are highly frequented by pirates and add probes to your overvew. If the mission have not a gate you could be aproached by cloakie Attention

Btw, did you try some incursions? They have better ISK/h ratio and you are safer. You could take a shiny ship there too.

Regards,

Zino


Yes, I've done Incursions. Got boring, repetitive, and has way too much ~spaceship drama~ for my liking though. Also, I really, really dislike most of the people in TDF because there are so many whiny entitled-feeling assholes. Not that everybody there is one, but there are plenty, especially as evidenced when some "griefers" started interfering Lol

Bumblefck wrote:
Rothanaya wrote:

So, does anybody know the answer or not?




The answer is very obviously 'no' - it's not worth it in the slightest if you're running them in a Nighthawk. Your ISK income will be on a par with or probably even lower than running lvl4s in a Tengu or somesuch, as your firepower will be really quite anaemic. Plus, as others have said, your 'uber' passively tanked NH's sig will be so big scanning you down will be trivial - plus, also, the fact that most lvl5 systems and their environs have a resident pirate population, to take advantage of foolish and greedy carebears such as yourself.


Three posts in a row? Man, you are coming across as bitter right now. Nevermind the fact that other people have been giving different answers from you...

My main has actually got quite an extensive combat record (Not a particularly good one, just an extensive one), I just elected to not post with him so that people wouldn't go "Oh yes, he's running missions" when they see him in local. I'm hardly a greedy carebear, and I frequently go out to burn isk on lulzy AF ops. 80% of the isk which I "carebear" goes towards funding PVP.

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Your initial post makes you sound very naiive. You're asking a question which, had you been sufficiently clued up, would be unneccessary.

You will be scanned down because people like me like scanning down other people. You will die.


"LOWSEC?!? YOU CAN'T GO THERE! EVRRYONE THERE IS A PIRATE AND YOU WILL DIE THE MOMENT YOU ENTER AND THEY'RE ALL EVIL AND YOU DON'T STAND A CHANCE AND YEAH"

This is how you sound.

I asked a simple question about the potential isk/hr of level 5's. Everyone answered it constructively but you, who's trying to scare me with the risks of losec as if I don't know them. Looks like my original statement that you don't make useful posts was correct.

"Nothing says "L5 mission runner" better than a nighthawk and a bunch of npc wrecks on d-scan."

Good thing, then, that I'm not going to keep running missions when somebody starts probing for me...?

Seriously, why do you even post in Missions & Complexes if this is the kind of thing you say?

To everyone else who made useful posts: Thank you.
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#14 - 2012-02-19 17:37:52 UTC
Well, you started it with the personal attack, so...

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log
Rothanaya
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-02-19 17:50:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Rothanaya
Bumblefck wrote:
Well, you started it with the personal attack, so...


I didn't make a personal attack, I made a factual statement. A personal attack would have been saying "bumblefck is a d-bag because he makes useless posts," whereas I just said that that you don't make useful posts.

You and I both know that it's true.
Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#16 - 2012-02-19 17:57:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Substantia Nigra
I sometimes run encounter missions and sites in lowsec. I also have systems with lowsec statics so do spend a fair bit of time moving ships thru chains of lowsec.

Contrary to bumble's suggestions I have been surprised how few ppl there are actually scanning. I do see the occasional transient pass thru, drop some combat probes, and move on in 5 - 10 minutes but very rarely anyone seriously try to probe-find me ... whatever I am doing.

Lowsec seems to be very different to null in that respect, along with many others.

As for nighthawk: It can tank a heap, and can put out enough DPS to kill most anything ... eventually. IMO no better than tengu which uses similar weapons, is much easier to train for, and if way more versatile. If I were to want to run lvl5s in a caldari genre ship I'd prolly choose tengu over NH.

I used to see a fair few solo NHs working C1 - C3 w-space sites. Not so often now ... seemingly more ppl have realised and jumped on tengu wagon. NH is a solid, reliable, PvE platform but IMO largely surpassed by tengu in most areas.

OP, if you're looking for a step-on from lvl4s and incursions then you may wish to cast an eye towards w-space. It's not for everyone (usually lots of effort) but it does provide challenging PvE with lots of PvP opportunities thrown in.
[Oh, and w-space provides heaps of isk]

I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.
Rothanaya
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2012-02-19 19:19:19 UTC
Substantia Nigra wrote:
I sometimes run encounter missions and sites in lowsec. I also have systems with lowsec statics so do spend a fair bit of time moving ships thru chains of lowsec.

Contrary to bumble's suggestions I have been surprised how few ppl there are actually scanning. I do see the occasional transient pass thru, drop some combat probes, and move on in 5 - 10 minutes but very rarely anyone seriously try to probe-find me ... whatever I am doing.

Lowsec seems to be very different to null in that respect, along with many others.

As for nighthawk: It can tank a heap, and can put out enough DPS to kill most anything ... eventually. IMO no better than tengu which uses similar weapons, is much easier to train for, and if way more versatile. If I were to want to run lvl5s in a caldari genre ship I'd prolly choose tengu over NH.

I used to see a fair few solo NHs working C1 - C3 w-space sites. Not so often now ... seemingly more ppl have realised and jumped on tengu wagon. NH is a solid, reliable, PvE platform but IMO largely surpassed by tengu in most areas.

OP, if you're looking for a step-on from lvl4s and incursions then you may wish to cast an eye towards w-space. It's not for everyone (usually lots of effort) but it does provide challenging PvE with lots of PvP opportunities thrown in.
[Oh, and w-space provides heaps of isk]


TY for the suggestions.

Yeah, the Tengu is better, but I already have BCs 5 and Command ships trained, and I don't feel like spending 500mil on a shiny t3, so that's why I was considered the NH over the Tengu. At least to start with Big smile

I've done a bit of W-space living in the past, but I find it's rather... unreliable. Some days you get 10 nanoribbons from a single site, and other times you do three sites and get one. Still, might be something for me to think about.
Vicky Somers
Rusty Anchor
#18 - 2012-02-19 19:23:23 UTC
Lowsec exploration is far more lucrative than L5s. And safer too.
Patri Andari
Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer
#19 - 2012-02-19 20:34:00 UTC
Rothanaya wrote:
Bumblefck wrote:
Well, you started it with the personal attack, so...


I didn't make a personal attack, I made a factual statement. A personal attack would have been saying "bumblefck is a d-bag because he makes useless posts," whereas I just said that that you don't make useful posts.

You and I both know that it's true.


Owned?


Be careful what you think, for your thoughts become your words. Be careful what you say, for your words become your actions. Be careful what you do, for your actions become your character. And character is everything. - author unknown
Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#20 - 2012-02-19 21:07:03 UTC
Rothanaya wrote:

Yeah, the Tengu is better, but I already have BCs 5 and Command ships trained, and I don't feel like spending 500mil on a shiny t3, so that's why I was considered the NH over the Tengu. At least to start with Big smile

I've done a bit of W-space living in the past, but I find it's rather... unreliable. Some days you get 10 nanoribbons from a single site, and other times you do three sites and get one. Still, might be something for me to think about.


OK, I see. Sorry, I did overlook the cost side of your initial query.
An empire mission-runner t3 does not need to be as shiny and expensive as, e.g., my w-space babies ... but she is gonna cost you well above 500M even if you fit all-T2 gear. This I know, coz we build heaps of tengu and the prices lately have been skyrocketing ... not necessarily a good thing even for manufacturers.

You are absolutely correct re w-space 'unreliability', and hence my comment about it not being attractive to everyone. W-space is not so good on the instant gratification side of things, but there are system management methods that do make it much better than may initially meet the eye.

Good luck mission running in your NH.

I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.
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