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Assignment: Venezuela (1956)
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Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
#1 - 2012-02-14 00:15:46 UTC

As a Venezuelan, when a friend passed me this video link , a Venezuelan in exile too, like me, and proceeded to watch it in its entirety, I felt the need to cry a bit and remember my own personal journey as I practically fled my country seeking greener pastures abroad.

This is a 1956 CREOLE PETROLEUM CORPORATION film, perhaps to be shown to other people from the USA before going there as a preparation tool back in the 50's.

Just wanted to share it, and perhaps see , if in a bit simplistic and naive way the Country we once were and the road we built for ourselves until certain political events tumbled everything down in an uncertain path.

Right now, as I share this video with the bulk of my Venezuelan friends, all of them spread around the globe I remember the few friends I had and that I lost to common crime, political strife and social instability in my country.

Assignment Venezuela (1956)



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Selinate
#2 - 2012-02-14 04:54:04 UTC
Out of pure curiosity, how much of this video is just propaganda? Or is this a realistic portrayal of Venezuela in 1956?
Palovana
Inner Fire Inc.
#3 - 2012-02-14 04:56:54 UTC
Interesting video, and I found the following link from around the same time (December 1955) about Creole Petroleum in Venezuela, but you have to be a Time subscriber to read the whole article.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,861749,00.html

Had never heard of this company until today in fact.

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Agamenox
Yanomami's Space Pilots
#4 - 2012-02-17 16:55:56 UTC
Selinate wrote:
Out of pure curiosity, how much of this video is just propaganda? Or is this a realistic portrayal of Venezuela in 1956?



100% propaganda, Only a few oil towns had that look, much of the country lived in poverty and oblivion.
All these companies paid little or no taxes, and only took care to remove the oil and export it, leaving nothing the country.

The literacy rate in the population over 10 years increased from 51.2% in 1950 to 91.1 in 1998 and 99.6% in 2008. In 2005 Venezuela was declared by UNESCO as a territory free of illiteracy

The Human Development Index for Venezuela in 1950 was 0.46, in 2008 was 0.82, but our country is currently taking high levels of poverty, but not as many as 1950.

Who could be so naive or ignorant to blindly believe propaganda of multinational oil companies?
Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
#5 - 2012-02-17 17:31:38 UTC
Agamenox wrote:
Who could be so naive or ignorant to blindly believe propaganda of multinational oil companies?


They're commonly known as Republicans.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#6 - 2012-02-17 20:36:52 UTC
Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:
Agamenox wrote:
Who could be so naive or ignorant to blindly believe propaganda of multinational oil companies?


They're commonly known as Republicans.



You do know that a post like that will earn you links showing you how there is no difference between the two parties, right? Or are you just parroting things you get told on TV?

It's called a clue. They are free you just have to think a little.

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Selinate
#7 - 2012-02-19 05:31:51 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:
Agamenox wrote:
Who could be so naive or ignorant to blindly believe propaganda of multinational oil companies?


They're commonly known as Republicans.



You do know that a post like that will earn you links showing you how there is no difference between the two parties, right? Or are you just parroting things you get told on TV?

It's called a clue. They are free you just have to think a little.



You can argue that the two parties are the same all day if you want. I think he was referring to the common voter who takes every word that comes out of the republican party as 100% true. These people are idiots.

Not saying that the democratic party doesn't necessarily have the same thing, but the republican party seems to have a lot more. All I have to do to prove this is go down the street to the local trailer park...

And it's arguable that the structure and belief system of the democratic party is at least fundamentally different in how they operate compared to the republican party, in terms of those in congress...
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#8 - 2012-02-19 14:49:09 UTC
Agamenox wrote:
Selinate wrote:
Out of pure curiosity, how much of this video is just propaganda? Or is this a realistic portrayal of Venezuela in 1956?



100% propaganda, Only a few oil towns had that look, much of the country lived in poverty and oblivion.
All these companies paid little or no taxes, and only took care to remove the oil and export it, leaving nothing the country.

The literacy rate in the population over 10 years increased from 51.2% in 1950 to 91.1 in 1998 and 99.6% in 2008. In 2005 Venezuela was declared by UNESCO as a territory free of illiteracy

The Human Development Index for Venezuela in 1950 was 0.46, in 2008 was 0.82, but our country is currently taking high levels of poverty, but not as many as 1950.

Who could be so naive or ignorant to blindly believe propaganda of multinational oil companies?


Of course they didn't give back to you guys they are a company, not your government. If you government didnt take care of you or help your country out, you would have problems. Its fair for companies to not become your government.

Its like a kid still has the same parents even if another adult enters the house. Your telling me if I visit you I am now your dad, and you old dad isn't real anymore, I dont understand.

I do know certain countries do like to be left wing always, and when get hard and they can't always be that way they are angry. Venezuala reminds me of that. I dont know dude, people like their parents, they die, I like dogs, but dogs die. I dont know why you can't always be left or get what ya want.

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Tribunia
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2012-02-20 09:01:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Tribunia
To make business run smooth, you need smooth sailing and a means to that end is propaganda. This is pure and unadulterated propaganda by a company which want to bask in a sympathetic and likeable light of benign goodwill.

Theres a name for this phenomenon and it s called 'Culture of affirmation'. It s when people produce as well as seek out information that affirms their beleifs or views rather than to produce or seek out objective and unbiased information.

It takes effort and energy to be a critical and objective citizen in todays media landscape and propaganda and misinformation from commercially hijacked political entities and interests are rife today, all in the name of freedom of speech and the 1st amendment.

In modern times, the prime example of this is the United States of America where journalism quickly is becoming a victim of the capitalistic drive to make money.

Fox News much?
Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
#10 - 2012-03-06 00:53:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Brujo Loco
Interesting takes on the ad.

As a Venezuelan, coming from a family of modest means that managed to climb to the upper echelons of society thanks to the Oil Industry, I can with a lot of veracity say that it was 50% propaganda. Fact is, after the 60's Venezuela entered an interesting state of things.

I have family members that fought for the insurgent pro-democratic political party "AD" back during Marco Perez Jimenez dictatorship, others that lived as children during the rule of a prior dictator, Juan Vicente Gomez.

Life for them never changed much even after the economic boom when Carlos Andres Perez nationalized the Oil Industry. What outsiders fail to realize besides the widely public data available is that in a sense, Venezuelans, despite all their flaws or economic woes were happy people prior to the current political climate, and that no data gathered regarding literacy or GDP of a country can attest to.

I linked that mostly to point out, in a blissful and naive way as I mentioned it before, to point out that Venezuela was a real tropical paradise. Anyone with enough will, drive and ambition could carve out a piece of their own dream into reality. We didn't need the American Dream, we had our own, which was a mix of the infamous American one with several local latinamerican variants.

We even fought off a communist insurgence drive famously pictured in the Pulitzer prize winner picture of a priest holding a wounded venezuelan soldier in 1956 taken by Hector Rondon

photo http://www.aporrea.org/imagenes/2010/06/el_portenhazo.jpg

I had family member taken by our local branch of the "Stasi" like secret police called "Seguridad Nacional", I lived as a teenager the riots that happened in Venezuela that saw the poor of Caracas almost destroy a whole city.

On and on, and no one , in my own opinion, can TELL ME, that the Venezuela of that add was far from reality ... once.

It might have been propaganda for the gringos coming to settle there, but for Venezuelans it showed a piece of the dream we all could achieve once. Most people I know and work with today in the Energy sector that are Venezuelans and over 40+ agree with me on how Venezuela was and how it all changed of a sudden.

Leaving politics aside, if you think that add was pure propaganda you are watching it from one side of the fence. I honestly miss the reality of that add and that is no more. All we have left now is a mess of divided socio-political groups bent on destroying each other regardless of the cost and Narco-guerrillas mixed with Mexican, Belarusians, Russian and assorted Eastern Europe Criminal gangs, maffia, mobs with a wide mix of petty crime lords controlling and battling over sectors of the country,

To add insult to injury, a famous local reggae singer, that sung protest songs was silenced by common crime or paid thugs, in Venezuela, it might be the same, he was in critical condition after a shot to the head.

I leave a video portraying the current crime situation in Caracas for example. The singer is called "Onechot" and he made an interesting music video. There's blood everywhere.

Rotten Town by Onechot

http://youtu.be/UxdEpdZdvug

Anyway, interesting replies and everyone is entitled to an opinion, but as a Venezuelan I still grieve for the loss of my country.

Just wanted to share.

Anyway peace and happiness

Cheers!

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