Skill Discussions

Heya

my idea was getting Archievements w/o any Reward just some things u can do, where u get a nice Bio entry and a Medal for honor nothing more. I#m a Archievement Hunter i dont wanna SP for that, just some nice thing i can do while waiting for another finishing Skill. in my fplay time after Work i dont wanna do Missions every day (no pvp i hate it in EvE ^^) but hey nvm no one forces u to do this if it ever will be implemented ^^. u can do them otr not.
SP for Missions would be for 23,5/7 gamer ideal but not for the casual players so i dont support this.Just to make it clear

My suggested idea have nothing to to with grind, that why i wrote this statement.

I have a German Thread about Archievement if anyone wanna post a Comment. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=69866&find=unread

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Omg i should check my sentences more often ^^.....

btw why "lol"

Sry i cant get what u mean

must be difficult to write complete sentences to make an answer....

talk to me in numbers. tickle me.

edit and **** you all. i forgot to add that:P

ah well.

This is a response to Arafelis in this thread, here’s a link: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=810893#post810893

There are several reasons to not keep attribute implants and remaps, while the sole reason I can see for keeping attribute implants would be the effects on the economy, especially since implants are a huge part of the loyalty point stores. First I’d like to address what I perceive as the effects on newbies and why it does not benefit them.
I have played in nearly one-and-a-half year. That is not a long time, but it is enough for me to have accumulated some wealth and some experience in the game. It has enabled me to familiarise me with several tools that are commonly viewed as essential for the smooth EVE experience, such as EVEMon and fitting tools.
I started a new character some months back with the “Power of Two”-sale, and the first I did with that character was to train Cybernetics 4 and get the character +4 implants across the board. The fact that I can assist a new character this way (Whether it’s my own or not) means that the new players who have a benefactor and a tutor will most likely be ahead of players who do not have a tutor – but I do not think anyone can disagree when I say that those needing help the most are those without tutors. Adding to this is that a new player will most likely not know about attribute implants or attribute remaps, and either not use them or use them through random chance. And as we know, random chance in EVE often means setbacks and grief.
Furthermore, some veteran players, dubbed “bittervets”, have hit the wall where it becomes pointless to train on that character from the players viewpoint. He or she might already have Carrier 5 and Titan 5, and cannot find any racial ship that is not flown perfectly, as well as any pirate faction ship that includes the chosen race. Or he or she might have perfected every mining and industrial skill that is even remotely applicable in the chosen field. With the perceived lack of any direction to progress in, the game might become boring and players leave until the next ship is released.
As such, implants and remaps does not help newbies to catch up, but rather helps established players catch up percentwise to veterans quicker. At the same time, it shortens the time before veteran players risk being transformed into bittervets. I think a better system can be conceived to handle this than the currently implemented, for example giving a slight boost in SP accumulation as long as you have below a fixed number of SP, and then the bonus lessens as you get more SP until it is fully removed. An example in numbers could be +10% SP/hour until your first million SP, and then reducing the bonus until 0% bonus at 2 million SP.

This, however, will probably only treat what I believe is the symptom of the problems: Newbies does often not feel appreciated and feel that when they try to compete with players that have hundreds or thousands times their SP, they are naturally left short of methods to hold their own in these competitions. Some of these methods can be accounted for solely through SP (Such as industrial production, where a character with Production Efficiency 5 could break even or gain profits with a production that a newbie without Production Efficiency cannot sustain), a mixture of skills and SP (Such as being able to use tech2 modules to greater benefit because of familiarisation with your own and the opponents ship in PvP) or solely skills (Such as knowledge of game-mechanics or warfare). Though the limits in PvP (Either small-scale/piracy, mid-scale or large-scale/sov-war) are less defined because numbers count in another way (And because a Rifter takes very short time to learn to fly and there is always a need of tacklers), they are still there.
This is what I perceive as the real problem: That newbies cannot compete as well and because they can’t compete as well they are worth less. It is a part of how the game is built, however, that the veteran with Racial Battleship 5 and tech2 guns will outperform the newbie with Racial Battleship 2 and tech1 guns. I don’t see any solution to this that wouldn’t fall into one of two traps: a) failing to address the problem or b) make time spent training meaningless.
I’d love to discuss possible solutions because, as I said a page earlier, I am aware that the full picture eludes me. I can see these problems with how the system functions, but at the same time I am fully convinced that the system works a lot better than any system based on ingame grind.

Yes, and it was removed along with the learning skills, since the learning skills did not make a lot of sense.

Does this mean you agree with the rest I wrote, or is it common tactic to nitpick?

Yes, that does indeed answer the portion of my post that you originally quoted. I'll restate:
"Does this mean you agree with the rest I wrote, or is it common tactic to nitpick?"

And I repeat, why do we need to gain SP faster?