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Does Corps/Alliance rent out 0.0 space for mining / ratting?
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Kane Hart
Sanitized Souls
#1 - 2012-02-18 04:32:44 UTC
I was wondering if corps or alliances ever rent out 0.0 space for ratting and mining and if so do they allow you to use their facilities or you kind of screwed and have to haul to all the way back to the closest NPC station?

Also there a list of these spaces?

Thanks :)
Alexandra Lingwa
CALIMA COLLABORATIVE
Atrox Urbanis Respublique Abundatia
#2 - 2012-02-18 07:28:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Alexandra Lingwa
Typically yes many Alliances do so, for a hefty price. It heavily depends on the alliance, and the region. Your best bet is to look around in the forums or in the corporation and alliance recruitment center to see if there are any corps that are renters themselves you can join. You can sometimes have your corp rent from these alliances as well, although it can be very expensive. You do usually have access to their stations, but the systems you will rent will usually be station-less requiring you to set up POSs and be able to fuel them and such. Station systems themselves are the most expensive, and are not easy to rent as they are quite a commodity.

Some areas are NRDS which means "Not red don't shoot" and sometimes you can rat and mine in these areas as long as you are friendly and respectful to the owning alliance, but those are not all that common as most alliances run under NBSI "Not blue shoot it".

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Kane Hart
Sanitized Souls
#3 - 2012-02-18 08:08:25 UTC
Thanks for the information. Yeah sounds expensive. The main reason I was hoping for a station was I assume I would end up actually failing at moving the items from 0.0 to empire space. For this reason I wanted to be able to just sell what I got to the people of that space and take the rest and refine it down and sell it to them. Sort of be one of them hehe :)

For now my friend and I wanted to stay in our own corp so we can overtime experience things like PoS. Its put us in a bit of a awkward situation since we have not had much luck finding an alliance.

Thanks for the info again :)
Valk Enaka
Wohlstandsgesellschaft
#4 - 2012-02-18 23:04:39 UTC
Hey Kane,

My recommendation is related to what Alexandra was saying about NRDS areas. A key area is the Providence region. While I'm not 100% up to date on what's been happening down there, it is overall controlled by CVA and it's blues. Keep in mind that just because the owners of a region are NRDS, that does not mean there is no risk. Consider the case of 2 neutrals fighting, the only info the locals have is your word against theirs on who shot first. Furthermore, gatecamps, pirates, and wars all are potential risks in the area. If you are interested in getting into 0.0 though, I would recommend looking into the Providence region. If you need any help with that, feel free to shoot me a mail either here or ingame.

Valk
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-02-19 01:29:23 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Yes, alliance rent out space. Actually large parts of null-sec are hold by renters. They will rent out to miners/ratters but they do ask that even those can PvP as SOV means SOV-warfare.

Keep in mind that renters have to pay monthly fees to stay there, fail to pay and you will be removed.
Also renters are also asked to look after SOV, so maintain it but also (help) defend it, as without defense there is no SOV to own.

Usually renters are placed in the places the parent alliance don't want (frontlines etc, but this isn't always true) and usually the renters don't get ownerships of a station system. This is mainly cause stations, unlike empire, aren't in every single system and due to that they are of great tactical advantage.
So likely you have acces to stations to keep stuff at etc, but you will have to put up a POS in the system you rent. And on shipments, keep in mind you can sell to local market in null-sec if you have acces to a station, but also keep in mind that null-sec markets aren't as supplied etc as empire ones. And sometimes others rather pay less for stuff in empire and use capital logistics to get it into null-sec.

On station acces, and this will differ from one alliance to another, you likely have acces to the station and to the station facilty. But as they are player controlled the owner can set their own fees. So it is possible you have to pay small prices to use facilities with 1 alliance while the other offers them for free.

In the end I will suggest to do a lot of research on renting from any alliance, mainly on the financial part as some alliances are millions in fees a month so expenses can be quite large.

EDIT:
Your bad luck in finding an alliance might come from different reasons:
1.) You are quite a small corporation, in general SOV alliance don't trust small corps and tend to stick to larger once as really small corps usually can't sustain themself effectively in 0.0
2.) *also in respect to your other post* You are looking for a place in null-sec to mine and rat, but keep in mind there is no "getting the benefits without the downsides of 0.0" so besides mining and ratting you should be able to PvP from time to time (even if it's just a scout or tackling ship).

J'Poll

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Valk Enaka
Wohlstandsgesellschaft
#6 - 2012-02-19 02:55:49 UTC
Just thought I would comment on what J'Poll said. For the most part this may be true. However, in Providence, stations are open to anyone who isn't red...and if you are a new player, then the odds of you being red are next to 0. They have asteroids to mine, and rats to shoot, it was actually my first taste of null. And like I said before, the owners of most of it are NRDS, so you don't pay anything to be there, and get the benefits as well.
Kane Hart
Sanitized Souls
#7 - 2012-02-19 03:55:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Kane Hart
Valk Enaka wrote:
Just thought I would comment on what J'Poll said. For the most part this may be true. However, in Providence, stations are open to anyone who isn't red...and if you are a new player, then the odds of you being red are next to 0. They have asteroids to mine, and rats to shoot, it was actually my first taste of null. And like I said before, the owners of most of it are NRDS, so you don't pay anything to be there, and get the benefits as well.

Where abouts is this. I saw a site the other day it showed a lot info about alliances. I wonder if its safer or a lot risky because of a lot of greens being pirates too hehe. Sounds amazing though.


Edit: Found this map
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Providence

But so confused by it looks so safe and unsafe hehe
Valk Enaka
Wohlstandsgesellschaft
#8 - 2012-02-19 04:39:20 UTC
Kane Hart wrote:
Valk Enaka wrote:
Just thought I would comment on what J'Poll said. For the most part this may be true. However, in Providence, stations are open to anyone who isn't red...and if you are a new player, then the odds of you being red are next to 0. They have asteroids to mine, and rats to shoot, it was actually my first taste of null. And like I said before, the owners of most of it are NRDS, so you don't pay anything to be there, and get the benefits as well.

Where abouts is this. I saw a site the other day it showed a lot info about alliances. I wonder if its safer or a lot risky because of a lot of greens being pirates too hehe. Sounds amazing though.


Edit: Found this map
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Providence

But so confused by it looks so safe and unsafe hehe

I operated out of 3KB-J0 primarily, but you have to be careful as IS-R7P was controlled by AAA last I checked. They are decidedly not NRDS, so you would want to make sure you stay aware of where you are. As long as you are aware of local and set your own standings you should be fine. In fact... http://kos.cva-eve.org/ that gives you the CVA standings that I believe are in effect for most if not all of the region (or its occupants). If you need an example, feel free to look me up (It appears that due to my current affiliation, I am now KOS even after having worked along side them in CAIN, such is EVE...). Anyway, I would get in contact with someone out there if you want some more info...

Not quite sure what you mean about greens? But no, at least when I was out there we didn't have any real action or pirates to worry about. It is 0.0 though, and you always need to pay attention just in case.
Kane Hart
Sanitized Souls
#9 - 2012-02-19 05:03:02 UTC
Valk Enaka wrote:
Kane Hart wrote:
Valk Enaka wrote:
Just thought I would comment on what J'Poll said. For the most part this may be true. However, in Providence, stations are open to anyone who isn't red...and if you are a new player, then the odds of you being red are next to 0. They have asteroids to mine, and rats to shoot, it was actually my first taste of null. And like I said before, the owners of most of it are NRDS, so you don't pay anything to be there, and get the benefits as well.

Where abouts is this. I saw a site the other day it showed a lot info about alliances. I wonder if its safer or a lot risky because of a lot of greens being pirates too hehe. Sounds amazing though.


Edit: Found this map
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Providence

But so confused by it looks so safe and unsafe hehe

I operated out of 3KB-J0 primarily, but you have to be careful as IS-R7P was controlled by AAA last I checked. They are decidedly not NRDS, so you would want to make sure you stay aware of where you are. As long as you are aware of local and set your own standings you should be fine. In fact... http://kos.cva-eve.org/ that gives you the CVA standings that I believe are in effect for most if not all of the region (or its occupants). If you need an example, feel free to look me up (It appears that due to my current affiliation, I am now KOS even after having worked along side them in CAIN, such is EVE...). Anyway, I would get in contact with someone out there if you want some more info...

Not quite sure what you mean about greens? But no, at least when I was out there we didn't have any real action or pirates to worry about. It is 0.0 though, and you always need to pay attention just in case.



Thanks for all the info you been great. Yeah I mean blue not green I guess I had another game in the brain :)

CVA seems like a wonderful alliance and actually has a great policy. I'm going to try to have our corp leader get a hold of someone and see if we can become a citizen overtime.

Also not sure why you have a bad standing but I saw this:
Quote:
The CVA KOS list is a huge beast which has existed for almost 5 years. Anyone who has shot at CVA or other residents of Amarr Empire/Providence/WH-space get added to the list and never get removed unless a diplomatic approach is made and repentance made (and sometimes reparations paid). The CVA KOS list is quite extensive and includes most of the other 0.0 alliances as they operate under NBSI (Not Blue Shoot It) principles which are outlawed in Providence. Basically


Hopefully you can workout your issues unless its a corp/alliance issue with your standings.

Thanks again for the help everyone!
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-02-19 08:23:36 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
[qoute=Kane Hart] Also not sure why you have a bad standing but I saw this:
Quote:
The CVA KOS list is a huge beast which has existed for almost 5 years. Anyone who has shot at CVA or other residents of Amarr Empire/Providence/WH-space get added to the list and never get removed unless a diplomatic approach is made and repentance made (and sometimes reparations paid). The CVA KOS list is quite extensive and includes most of the other 0.0 alliances as they operate under NBSI (Not Blue Shoot It) principles which are outlawed in Providence. Basically


Hopefully you can workout your issues unless its a corp/alliance issue with your standings.

Thanks again for the help everyone![/quote]

Good chance he is KOS not due personal bad standings but because his alliance is at bad standings.

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Kane Hart
Sanitized Souls
#11 - 2012-02-19 10:47:46 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
[qoute=Kane Hart] Also not sure why you have a bad standing but I saw this:
Quote:
The CVA KOS list is a huge beast which has existed for almost 5 years. Anyone who has shot at CVA or other residents of Amarr Empire/Providence/WH-space get added to the list and never get removed unless a diplomatic approach is made and repentance made (and sometimes reparations paid). The CVA KOS list is quite extensive and includes most of the other 0.0 alliances as they operate under NBSI (Not Blue Shoot It) principles which are outlawed in Providence. Basically


Hopefully you can workout your issues unless its a corp/alliance issue with your standings.

Thanks again for the help everyone!


Good chance he is KOS not due personal bad standings but because his alliance is at bad standings.[/quote]
Ahh that is to bad. I tried to get in contact with someone in CVA relations chat but I guess everyone sleeps this time of night so I will check tomorrow.

Thanks again all.
Tallianna Avenkarde
Pyre of Gods
#12 - 2012-02-19 14:23:17 UTC
CVA periodically sets all NBSI alliances as red regardless of whether they have operated in Provi or not. Protects their guys from random ganks, but some people do get caught out thinking they are safe as it is the first time they have been in provi.

Not I, I earned my KOS ;)

And a sudden plunge in the sullen swell. Ten fathoms deep on the road to hell.
Ogi Talvanen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-02-19 23:46:15 UTC
Well i am KOS and i was in Provi with TEST and cant say CVA really bothered to kill us. But yeah Provi might be your best way to experience null.