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How to run plexes in Faction Warfare

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Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#21 - 2012-02-14 07:26:37 UTC
If you guys think this all sounds kinda ridiculous and nonsensical, its because it is. There needs to be more rewards for plexing, and more consequence to occupancy!

I've been working for months to organize the four militias into a single voice for change, which will now be supporting me in the upcoming election as a CSM7 candidate. I encourage all of you interested in cleaning up the Faction Warfare system to stop by and check out my campaign announcement thread over in Jita Park.


CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary

Denuo Secus
#22 - 2012-02-14 19:43:30 UTC
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
If you guys think this all sounds kinda ridiculous and nonsensical, its because it is. There needs to be more rewards for plexing, and more consequence to occupancy!

I've been working for months to organize the four militias into a single voice for change, which will now be supporting me in the upcoming election as a CSM7 candidate. I encourage all of you interested in cleaning up the Faction Warfare system to stop by and check out my campaign announcement thread over in Jita Park.




I'd rather like a possibility to make ISK (get rich) by PvP alone. At the moment FW missions are the closest thing I can do to archieve this. I just do them in a PvP capable ship. That's why I'm happy with the current rewards I can get by doing missions. PvP - especially solo and small gang means risk and loss (and fun ofc).

But tbh I'd be much happier when I could get LPs or some kind of 'salary' only determined by my PvP achievements. Solo or small gang is riskier and should be more rewarding than 'blobbing'. At the end I'd roam exactly as I do it with missions now. But I'd be much more free in my decisions and I wouldn't have to bother with NPCs. Killing NPCs to get ISK feels more like a duty than fun for me.

Plexing (or territory gaining/holding) on the other side is nice and necessary. But this should be more rewarding (and meaningful) as well. As it is now it's just a nice 'filter' to be able to PvP against ships of my own class and below.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#23 - 2012-02-14 20:28:28 UTC
Denuo Secus wrote:
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
If you guys think this all sounds kinda ridiculous and nonsensical, its because it is. There needs to be more rewards for plexing, and more consequence to occupancy!

I've been working for months to organize the four militias into a single voice for change, which will now be supporting me in the upcoming election as a CSM7 candidate. I encourage all of you interested in cleaning up the Faction Warfare system to stop by and check out my campaign announcement thread over in Jita Park.




I'd rather like a possibility to make ISK (get rich) by PvP alone. At the moment FW missions are the closest thing I can do to archieve this. I just do them in a PvP capable ship. That's why I'm happy with the current rewards I can get by doing missions. PvP - especially solo and small gang means risk and loss (and fun ofc).

But tbh I'd be much happier when I could get LPs or some kind of 'salary' only determined by my PvP achievements. Solo or small gang is riskier and should be more rewarding than 'blobbing'. At the end I'd roam exactly as I do it with missions now. But I'd be much more free in my decisions and I wouldn't have to bother with NPCs. Killing NPCs to get ISK feels more like a duty than fun for me.

Plexing (or territory gaining/holding) on the other side is nice and necessary. But this should be more rewarding (and meaningful) as well. As it is now it's just a nice 'filter' to be able to PvP against ships of my own class and below.



Hans will also promote mechanics that brings about more pvp in plexes. He is not going to just boost the rewards so plexing becomes the new way to carebear.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

Garr Earthbender
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2012-02-14 21:27:51 UTC
I'm votin' for Hans, that's fo sho.

-Scissors is overpowered, rock is fine. -Paper

X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#25 - 2012-02-15 01:14:55 UTC
Derailiing thread again. Current plexing mechanics are great for pvp. Some minor additions could be made like an incursion-like bar showing how "occupied" a system is, or perhaps Cerain's idea w.r.t. a "Plexing Alert" alarm. Otherwise, there have been a very large number of plex fights since the Crucible patch was introduced. This is due modifications of the plex spawn mechanics - NPCs have been nerfed, and casual players can now contribute to the Occupancy War no matter what time zone they are in. The destroyer buff has also "nerfed" the influence of pirate faction frigs in minor plexes. Newer, less wealthy, players can now play a real role in plex fights without getting steamrolled by dramiels.

CCP now needs to move forward with the Rewards portion of the Occupancy War - which is another discussion altogether, and hopefully Jans will lead the way in supplying CCP with a list of suggestions they can implement.

If anybody cares to notice, CCP collected the list assembled by Hans directly from the forums and has been slowly implementing suggested features. It's time for us to vote Hans into the CSM so we can get our best representative that much closer to the developers at CCP (with less chance of the message getting distorted by CSM members who have no idea w.r.t FW).
Corwin Broadside
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#26 - 2012-02-15 01:29:35 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Derailiing thread again. Current plexing mechanics are great for pvp. Some minor additions could be made like an incursion-like bar showing how "occupied" a system is, or perhaps Cerain's idea w.r.t. a "Plexing Alert" alarm. Otherwise, there have been a very large number of plex fights since the Crucible patch was introduced. This is due modifications of the plex spawn mechanics - NPCs have been nerfed, and casual players can now contribute to the Occupancy War no matter what time zone they are in. The destroyer buff has also "nerfed" the influence of pirate faction frigs in minor plexes. Newer, less wealthy, players can now play a real role in plex fights without getting steamrolled by dramiels.

CCP now needs to move forward with the Rewards portion of the Occupancy War - which is another discussion altogether, and hopefully Jans will lead the way in supplying CCP with a list of suggestions they can implement.

If anybody cares to notice, CCP collected the list assembled by Hans directly from the forums and has been slowly implementing suggested features. It's time for us to vote Hans into the CSM so we can get our best representative that much closer to the developers at CCP (with less chance of the message getting distorted by CSM members who have no idea w.r.t FW).



Gallente need no alarm bell and the Caldari igonore it pfff.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#27 - 2012-02-15 03:42:22 UTC  |  Edited by: X Gallentius
One more thing that is nice about the current spawn mechanic: You can flip a system in a reasonable amount of time if there is no opposition. If the other side chooses not to engage, you don't have to wait weeks to accomplish your goal.
Astrid Stjerna
Sebiestor Tribe
#28 - 2012-02-15 23:42:29 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
You make money by killing rats in plexes and collecting their tags.

You get (meaningless) Victory Points, and Increase in standings with your faction and your allied faction. Once you gain enough standings you can insert jump clones and run some sort of epic arc mission for lots of isk.

Use your system scanner.

They are soloable.

No LP.


They're soloable, yes, but there are a couple of things to keep in mind:

The 'button' (the tag that marks the plex's capture point) will spawn NPCs at regular intervals when it's activated. On some of the larger plexes, the NPCs hit hard if you're not adequately fitted.

When in a plex, keep an eye on Local and on your D-Scan. War-targets absolutely love to jump in on solo pilots, especially if it's likely to be an easy kill.

if there are WTs in-system, check your d-scan before you approach the plex. Some people hang about outside the plex to snag people when they go for the acceleration gate, and to catch any reinforcements that show up.

Best of luck. Hope the stars are kind to you.

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Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#29 - 2012-02-16 16:40:22 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Derailiing thread again. Current plexing mechanics are great for pvp. ....This is due modifications of the plex spawn mechanics - NPCs have been nerfed, ...



The minmatar npcs have not been nerfed. They are still unbalanced when compared to the amarr npcs. But there are a few fits that you can still use to efficiently run plexes and possibly pvp in if company comes. Your just a bit limitted in your fits, and you still may need to warp out if the enemy comes at the wrong time.

Overall X Gallentius is correct. People who have done pvp in plexes love it. There has never been a better time to give faction war and plexing a try.

Also vote for Hans because CCP *will* continue to work on faction war this year and he is clearly the most qualified candidate to make sure they don't botch it.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

Vordak Kallager
Descendance.
GoonSwarm.
#30 - 2012-02-17 15:45:29 UTC
Cearain wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
Derailiing thread again. Current plexing mechanics are great for pvp. ....This is due modifications of the plex spawn mechanics - NPCs have been nerfed, ...



The minmatar npcs have not been nerfed. They are still unbalanced when compared to the amarr npcs. But there are a few fits that you can still use to efficiently run plexes and possibly pvp in if company comes. Your just a bit limitted in your fits, and you still may need to warp out if the enemy comes at the wrong time.

Overall X Gallentius is correct. People who have done pvp in plexes love it. There has never been a better time to give faction war and plexing a try.

Also vote for Hans because CCP *will* continue to work on faction war this year and he is clearly the most qualified candidate to make sure they don't botch it.


Yeah, the different faction NPCs need to be balanced. Too easy for us Minmatar compared to the Amarr. Don't have any experience with Gal/Cal but from the forums I'd assume there is imbalance there as well.

Sa souvraya niende misain ye.

Alticus C Bear
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2012-02-17 21:57:38 UTC
So I had been messing with my overview settings over a few sessions and decided to fix them, the system was contested so I thought why not run a defensive plex to pass the time, after dragging out fiddling with the overview for 10 minutes I still had more than half the timer left, being stubborn I stuck with it but I saw no one, one or two war targets buzzed across the system and after a time I even lost interest in hitting dscan to monitor a couple of local neutrals.

Think this is the dullest thing I have done in eve and needs looking at, unless you happen to be passing through when someone is offensive plexing the defensive plexing seems a waste of time.

On a positive note despite my general lack of play time I have actually managed to kill someone one on one this week and have had a few other skirmishes, think things are picking up but slowly.
Andrea Griffin
#32 - 2012-02-18 17:50:05 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
The destroyer buff has also "nerfed" the influence of pirate faction frigs in minor plexes. Newer, less wealthy, players can now play a real role in plex fights without getting steamrolled by dramiels.
However, at the same time, the destroyer buff has further diminished the role of T1 frigates. That means you have to fly a Destroyer or something designed to counter Destroyers, and I don't see that as a good thing.
Mekhana
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2012-02-18 18:32:48 UTC
Destroyers aren't half as bad as the Dramiel used to be.

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Garr Earthbender
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#34 - 2012-02-19 01:29:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Garr Earthbender
Actually, I would say that dessies in plexes has encouraged the use of EW frigates. Sure, there's less standard T1 frigs in there, but there's MORE t1 EW frigs in there than ever before.

-Scissors is overpowered, rock is fine. -Paper

Pulgy
Doomheim
#35 - 2012-02-19 04:51:18 UTC
Garr Earthbender wrote:
Actually, I would say that dessies in plexes has encouraged the use of EW frigates. Sure, there's less standard T1 frigs in there, but there's MORE t1 EW frigs in there than ever before.


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